Re: [新聞] Djo打贏Fed的策略

作者: RlO5566 (RIO)   2015-07-16 19:34:21
※ 引述《kyle5241 (kyle)》之銘言:
: http://tinyurl.com/qftm97l
: Brain Game: Djokovic's Winning Game Plan Against Federer
: One more ball.
: 多打一顆球
: That was the foundation on which Novak Djokovic, and coach, Boris Becker,
: built a masterful game plan to win the Serb’s third Wimbledon title Sunday.
: 這是Djo和其教練貝克完美的比賽策略的根基
: Djokovic defeated Roger Federer 7-6(1), 6-7(10), 6-4, 6-3, primarily by
: extending rallies, and making Federer bend to his own baseline intentions,
: much more than the opposite way.
: Djo打敗老費,主要在於延長對抽次數,同時迫使老費待在底線
: There were several moments in time where the match could have swung either way,
: but the overall body of work was far more controlled by the Serb, and that
: greatly helped when push came to shove.
: 或是在某些時候事情不是這樣發展,但大部分時刻比賽都掌握在賽亞人手中
: Federer played more baseline points in the final (126) than any other match,
: averaging 32 per set - six more per set than against Andy Murray in the
: semi-finals.
: 費爸打了比任何一場比賽還多的底線。在決賽高達126次,每盤32次:比跟莫瑞打時每盤
: 足足多了六次
: It was exactly the plan that super-coach, Boris Becker, had put into place.
: 這完全就是超級教練貝克一開始就擬定的計畫
: “Obviously we knew that Roger is going to go all power, he is not going to
: wait, and go for slow baseline rallies,” Becker said post-match.
: 貝克賽後說:很明顯的我們知道羅傑會用盡全力,他不會等待,然後在底線緩慢對抽
: “He started the way he finished with Murray, very aggressive, not giving
: Novak any time, any rhythm.”
: 他一開始就用他結束莫瑞比賽的方式,非常的侵略,不給Novak任何喘息和節奏
: “There was not much between them in the first two sets, but as the match
: went on I had a good feeling. I felt that eventually Novak would get hold of
: Roger’s serve, get him into baseline rallies, take advantage of his younger
: legs, and that was the difference.”
: 前兩盤雙方打的難分難解。但隨著比賽的進行,我有了好的預感。我覺得最後Novak
: 可以擋住羅傑的發球,迫使他返回底線對抽,利用他年輕的腿。而差距就開始出現。
: Federer averaged winning 52 per cent of his baseline points going into
: this year’s final, but that number was hammered down to 40 per cent by
: Djokovic’s superior baseline arsenal. Ironically, those were the exact same
: losing numbers for Federer at the 2014 Championships. It was simply a matter
: of hitting copy / paste 12 months later for the Serb.
: 在進入決賽前,費德勒可以贏下52%的底線得分,但在Djo無敵的底線能力前,這個數字
: 掉到了40%。諷刺的是,這個數字跟去年一樣,基本上就是把12個月前的數據複製貼上
: While Federer’s groundstrokes had sparkled against Murray, they mainly
: misfired against Djokovic.
: 雖然費的抽擊對莫端很有效,卻在對Djo時熄火
: In the final, Djokovic won the battle of short rallies of 0-4 shots long
: 103-94, lost the medium length rallies of 5-9 shots 27-34, and dominated
: extended rallies of nine shots or more 18-10. Federer didn’t play that
: many extended rallies in his first three rounds combined.
: 在0到4拍的對抽,Djo 103:94 勝費。5~9拍的對抽以27:34輸費,但在超過10次的
: 對抽以18:10大勝。順帶一題,費在前三輪總共加起來都沒有這麼多次超過10拍的
: 對抽
: Djokovic Forehand
: Djo正手
: Djokovic’s forehand was extremely impressive in the final, hitting 17 winners
: to Federer’s 15, while only committing seven (Federer 17) unforced errors.
: Djokovic hit it harder and flatter than normal against Federer’s primary
: baseline weapon.
: Djo的正手有17個致勝球(相對於費的15個),而僅只有7個失誤(費17個)。Djo的正手
: 比費的主要底線攻擊武器還要平和用力
: “There was no option,” Becker said. “If you don’t hit it you lose anyway.
: Go through the ball, be aggressive, go head-to-head with Roger, or you are
: going to lose.”
: 貝克說:你沒有任何選擇。如果你不用力打,你還是會輸,所以就盡情的去攻擊,跟
: 羅傑對轟,要不然就等著輸球
: “At the French Open he (Novak) played too tentative, he wanted Stan (Wawrinka)
: to miss the balls, but you are not going to win a Grand Slam final by waiting
: for the other guy to miss.”
: 在法網囧打的太小心,他希望小卡自爆,但你沒辦法在大滿貫藉由等其他人自爆而贏球
: (迷之聲:去年溫網?)
: “Novak was ready to go five hours, and I think it showed,” Becker added.
: Novak早就準備好要打五小時了,我想你們也看見了
: Second Serves
: 二發
: The other key battle ground that Djokovic dominated in similar fashion to
: their 2014 final was second serves. In successive finals, Djokovic’s second
: serve winning per centage remained a strength, while Federer’s got
: significantly worse.
: 跟去年一樣的由Djo稱霸的關鍵戰場是二發。在今年決賽,Djo的二發依然強勢,但費的
: 二發就變得跟爛
: Djokovic won 60 per cent of his second serves in today’s final and 65 per cent
: last year at SW19 against Federer. The Swiss, seven-time champion had won
: 66 per cent of his second serve points the past two weeks, but could only
: muster 49 per cent in the final. Last year, those numbers also massively
: dropped from 62 per cent to 44 per cent.
: 今天Djo贏了60%的二發,去年贏了65%。在過去兩個禮拜瑞士人贏了66%的二發,可是面對
: Djo只剩下可憐的49%。去年這個數字從62%掉到了44%
: Becker scouted Federer’s impressive semi-final victory over Murray from the
: Royal Box on Centre Court, and saw specific areas for Djokovic to attack in
: the final.
: 貝克在費德勒大勝莫端的比賽大刺刺的坐在旁邊收集情報。他從費身上看到了一些Djo
: 可以攻擊的部位
: “Wimbledon finals are not won in the semi-final,” Becker knowingly pointed
: out.
: 溫網決賽不是由準決賽來贏的
: “Roger peaked in the semi-final. He could not have played better, but I have
: seen Andy Murray play better as well. Of course, you get carried away with
: the legend, Roger has won it seven times, but I felt if Novak could get hold
: of the return, get Roger involved in the baseline rallies, just the extra
: point all the time, eventually he was going to wear him down.”
: 羅傑在準決賽的表現已經好的不能再更好,但是莫端其實也表現的更好。但我有感覺假
: 如Djo可以在接球局中撐住,迫使羅傑參與更多底線對抽。就算只是多打幾分,最後
: 囧會開始把費給消耗掉
: Federer Attacking
: 費的攻擊
: Federer served and volleyed on 22 per cent (21/94) of his first serve points,
: and 25 per cent (11/44) on seconds serves, overall winning a healthy 72 per
: cent (23/32). He was also solid with net points won, winning 73 per cent
: (42/58) at the front of the court. But it should have happened even more, as
: Djokovic was able to get Federer into 126 baseline exchanges, that made
: Federer’s pathway forward less clear, and blunted his overall aggression.
: 費在一發有22%的發球上網,二發有25%的發球上網。網前得分率是健康的73%。但這
: 應該要發生更多次的。因為Djo迫使費進行高達126次的底線對抽,費向前走的路就不明了
: What Federer needed was more attacking than normal against Djokovic, but he
: was not unwavering with the tactic.
: 費需要的是更多的攻擊來對抗Djo,但他對於這個策略並是堅定不搖的
: Overall, Djokovic served magnificently, returned hard and deep, and took
: advantage of the small windows of opportunity that presented themselves
: better than Federer.
: 總體來說,Djo發球很棒,回球很用力很深,同時掌握住那一丁點的優勢而使他比
: 費更優秀
: Djokovic knew Federer was not going to miss on the first couple of shots in a
: rally, but he a made a point of repeatedly asking the question on the third
: shot, or the fifth, or the seventh.
: Djo知道費不會放過前幾拍的對抽,但他讓費不斷地在3、5或7拍面對這個問題
: One more ball created one more opportunity to miss, and delivered one more
: title on the world’s biggest stage.
: 每多一拍就可以創造更多的機會,同時得到更多的冠軍
: 很多人都說如果費表現的跟半決賽一樣好就會贏
: 但這是不可能的。費的武器和弱點早就被對方的教練看透了
: 費在數據上的表現比去年決賽好多了
: 可是反而更早輸球
: (他自己本人都說他打的並不差,純粹技不如人)
: 有人說顛峰時期的費來打現在的囧會贏
: 但事實上他應該會輸的更慘
: 現在的費比以前更有經驗
: 懂的如何降低他弱的傷害
: 技巧也更純熟
: 以前的費應該是打不贏現在的費的
: 如果現在的費沒有更強的話
: 他也不可能維持在世界第二
: 畢竟其他人也一直在進步
: 只是世界第一的那個家伙已經幾乎沒有弱點了
: 唯一能夠打敗他的方法就是硬碰硬
: 像小卡那樣
: 而那個傢伙擁有各種的武器對你的弱點發動攻擊
: 除非能像小卡那樣幾乎沒弱點可以攻(自爆以外)
: 否則要打敗囧幾乎就是不可能的任務
不覺得年輕的費打不贏
年輕的費抽球質量和角度
都比現在好的多,就算對手爆氣
費依然憑藉天賦打出不可思議的球
但是現在的體能已經無法再做到了
僅次而已
也許現在的喬可以稍微跟巔峰費抗衡
但是我相信費仍是略勝一籌
作者: oralboralb ( )   2015-07-16 19:37:00
貴古賤今 Djokovic是史上攻守最平均的人 攻擊型的老費會被大大削弱進攻 防守又不如Djokovic 輸得機率大
作者: sleeeve (赴美留學的日子...)   2015-07-16 19:52:00
可以參考2007美網決賽 那時中費就已經不太能壓制小Djoy但是說也奇怪 一直到現在 Djo也未必完全技壓老費在早一點的幼費 big中只有Rafa比較成氣候
作者: athran (秘密)   2015-07-16 20:12:00
攻擊型的老費才會輸的機率大,費神時代的角度跟準度強太多攻擊已經下滑這麼多的費爸,體力不足前還是能跟囧一拼
作者: daieiso (紫荊城的小寶)   2015-07-16 20:17:00
一樓自己給的稱號吧,沒聽過這樣說的
作者: loveriver777 (夢幻白老虎)   2015-07-16 21:44:00
這種比較文很怪 阿就不同年啊是要怎麼比 時光機嗎
作者: koichitfg (光希)   2015-07-16 22:32:00
張飛打岳飛
作者: voluteer (....)   2015-07-16 23:29:00
雖然2007年美網決賽兩個7比6 不過我去看2007年澳網費卻完全壓制 而且球都超重角度大美網決賽是兩個7比6一個6比4
作者: iriver795 (fault...double fault)   2015-07-16 23:35:00
以前費的防守球就可以當攻擊球了
作者: Naruto9tails (鳴人)   2015-07-16 23:45:00
Djo在07年不斷進步,年初跟年底有差而且有在07年北美大師賽打贏費,機會還是有的以前的Djo也是可以抗衡的
作者: newandnew   2015-07-17 00:03:00
雙方都有進步 但federer先老了 就這樣
作者: sleeeve (赴美留學的日子...)   2015-07-17 00:06:00
看到big3之間恐怖的競爭 再看看Murray 只能說還好Mur前幾年聘請到大師Lendl..不然跟這三隻的競爭會更弱一點這兩年又多了小卡 男網的競爭還是很精彩
作者: TSbb (貸款三十年債開始)   2015-07-17 00:18:00
07年費在巔峰,囧口才幾歲在比? 每次都費老 wwwww好像年輕的對手就比較占優? 那你打幼稚園的小孩就輸死了?
作者: bigman (談戀愛有什麼好)   2015-07-17 00:28:00
笑了啦...這篇真的不是反串嗎
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-17 01:04:00
都在巔峰的話應該還是五五波 狀態不同就會有不同的應對這兩個人的對決差不多都是這樣
作者: jackyzhes (金寶)   2015-07-17 01:29:00
17GS VS 9GS 語畢
作者: oicecnir (衡吧)   2015-07-17 01:55:00
最多55波而已..囧科現在還是強的誇張好嗎...
作者: pennykidd (回到青蘋果的年代)   2015-07-17 02:08:00
07美網前兩盤Fed都是後來居上 DJO在那時已經展現了天賦但是Fed在那時還是只能算底線攻擊型選手 網前的技巧比不上現在的Fed 也許年輕的Fed打現在的DJO會變成完全在底線上決定勝敗 而非現在Fed會努力想縮短對抽來到網前
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-17 02:17:00
單打TOP技術一定很全面 現在是體能無法在底線抗衡才會這樣打 我不覺得以前網前技術就會比較差現在要說有什麼會比以前強的 那也只有經驗而已(廢話)
作者: talentgod (痛失眠)   2015-07-17 03:27:00
Fed在那時還是只能算底線攻擊型選手??????????????????
作者: nellnell (小厚)   2015-07-17 08:31:00
又是張飛打岳飛XDD 這跟戰老大還是喬丹比較強是一樣的
作者: redplum (LIVESTRONG)   2015-07-17 09:57:00
Fed防守也是數一數二的好,謝謝
作者: ajay0917 (杰)   2015-07-17 12:44:00
費爸剛出道時根本是天才上網型球員吧?後來才轉成底線型為主的
作者: easytry (放空)   2015-07-17 12:46:00
又在以前網前技巧沒現在好了...真有看比賽嗎
作者: yevvi (yevvi)   2015-07-17 15:19:00
費爸剛出道時03年前網前使用時機和細膩技術真的不怎樣
作者: MemoryLin (2013 Korea Drama -兩周)   2015-07-17 15:26:00
能打到TOP的人各項技術當然不會差到哪去 只是單一技術會特別突顯 Djo之前放很多囧小球 現進步到成為一項武器
作者: Longzoo (千雪孤鳴)   2015-07-17 15:31:00
不是全面型嗎?怎麼變回底線攻擊型
作者: MemoryLin (2013 Korea Drama -兩周)   2015-07-17 15:33:00
Fed以前上網頻率沒現在高 底線就可以贏很多人..
作者: DflowerT (鮮花)   2015-07-17 15:37:00
多數的體育競技本來就是年輕會較占優.當然這是建立在一方體能已經過巔峰的情形下.至於拿幼稚園來比喻根本就是無限上綱的例子.怎麼會拿體能發展尚未健全的狀況來比...
作者: wally155101 (蜥蜴)   2015-07-17 16:12:00
雖然我是費爸迷,但囧囧剛出道時,就看好他了,所以現在世界第一,並不意外如果硬要比,等囧囧33歲還有這種成績再說
作者: jason840226 (BabyHurk)   2015-07-17 18:31:00
不同齡巔峰期也沒重疊,基本上就是幻想文囉,沒有對或錯,就是這樣,比賽影響因素那麼多,去講什麼強弱你也得不到證明,基本上就是一個結果論的概念而已
作者: TSbb (貸款三十年債開始)   2015-07-17 20:57:00
彌彌的TOP還真奇怪,這樣講納豆莫瑞有每項都很優異嗎?
作者: TTsnow (羽痕)   2015-07-17 21:03:00
彌彌的腦袋還真奇怪,納豆莫瑞有哪一項技術特別差的嗎
作者: fedirk1741 (嗨)   2015-07-17 21:43:00
反正他開口閉口只會彌彌跟神邏輯 不用跟他認真拉哈哈
作者: black205 (尋覓方向的人)   2015-07-18 00:47:00
費還在神壇上時 揮揮拍對方就接不到了 何必上網
作者: shaker2580 (Madferit)   2015-07-18 09:56:00
差六歲是在比什麼 XD
作者: jason840226 (BabyHurk)   2015-07-18 15:13:00
借這串問,釣手T有被桶過嗎,有點好奇
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-18 18:03:00
技術要全面本來就是打單打的一個門檻 畢竟要一個人顧全場如果只想靠單一技術爬到前五十甚至前二十只有一種例外就是靠發球...但不夠全面再怎樣都擠不進前十的
作者: FirstService (一發)   2015-07-18 21:03:00
某T的程度除了彌彌來彌彌去也講不出有道理的話了
作者: openbestbook (吃蘿蔔不吐蘿蔔皮)   2015-07-19 05:57:00
天才上網型???? 是喔
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-19 10:13:00
FED剛出道是打發球上網 但是後來轉型隨球上網才有所突破
作者: ajay0917 (杰)   2015-07-20 12:42:00
最初的那幾屆溫布敦冠軍 那上網成功率高得有點嘔心
作者: ejijojo (小羊羊)   2015-07-22 15:32:00
現在的囧口跟老費差不多 以前的囧口會贏費神??

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