推 ieoboy: 簡單來說，子的人性是在創世前父預定所造，並在父ㄧ切預定 03/11 01:05
→ ieoboy: 創造以先，而後在馬利亞腹中取了人性(人性納入神性)，並進 03/11 01:05
→ ieoboy: 入肉身成為人的樣式。 03/11 01:05
我覺得還是以’兩種時間觀’來闡述比較清楚：從神永遠救贖的計畫－經論的角度而言，
基督的人性是在創世之前就被造了，因此是第一個被造之物。但是從人類的歷史觀點而言
，基督是在２０００前成孕的時候，由聖靈在瑪利亞腹中創造了一個人性（參考約翰歐文
＜聖靈論＞），進而取之。
推 ieoboy: 所以箴8:22 way(造作)的原意是否就是指造物，就很重要， 03/11 07:05
→ ieoboy: 老魚弟兄有相關資料嗎？ 03/11 07:05
Strong’s原文碼就很清楚. way的原文是:
derek
deh'-rek
From H1869; a road (as trodden); figuratively a course of life or mode of
action, often adverbially: - along, away, because of, + by, conversation,
custom, [east-] ward, journey, manner, passenger, through, toward, [high-]
[path-] way [-side], whither [-soever].
它的字根是:
daak
daw-rak
A primitive root; to tread; by implication to walk; also to string a bow (by
treading on it in bending): - archer, bend, come, draw, go (over), guide,
lead (forth), thresh, tread (down), walk.
darak的意思是一條線;可以被用為走路,或為弓上弦.到了derek,就變成一條馬路;並可被
用來生命的過程或行為的方式.換句話說,這個字具有一種先後次序,或一連串發生的事件
的意思.例如john gill的解釋則是:"as he was "in the beginning of his way" of
creation, when he went forth in his wisdom and power, and created all things;"
明顯的,way跟道做為創造時神的智慧和能力有關.Gill還說:" and "in the beginning
of his way" of grace, which was before his way of creation"這則是把way與恩典連
繫起來,但是,時間點仍然在creation之前.
但是若您回去看經文,您會發現這處經文用了兩個條件來肯定這個時間點在創造前:
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me (1)in the beginning of his way, before (2)his
works of old.
另外,亞他那修在<Four Orations>2.22.51說到:
51 (continued). For the passage in the Proverbs, as I have said before,
signifies, not the Essence, but the manhood of the Word; for if He says that
He was created ‘for the works,’ He shews His intention of signifying, not
His Essence, but the Economy which took place ‘for His works,’ which comes
second to being. For things which are in formation and creation are made
specially that they may be and exist2541, and next they have to do whatever
the Word bids them, as may be seen in the case of all things. For Adam was
created, not that He might work, but that first he might be man; for it was
after this that he received the command to work. And Noah was created, not
because of the ark, but that first he might exist and be a man; for after
this he received commandment to prepare the ark. And the like will be found
in every case on inquiring into it;—thus the great Moses first was made a
man, and next was entrusted with the government of the people. Therefore here
too we must suppose the like; for thou seest, that the Word is not created
into existence, but, ‘In the beginning was the Word,’ and He is afterwards
sent ‘for the works’ and the Economy towards them. For before the works
were made, the Son was ever, nor was there yet need that He should be
created; but when the works were created and need arose afterwards of the
Economy for their restoration, then it was that the Word took upon Himself
this condescension and assimilation to the works; which He has shewn us by
the word ‘He created.’ And through the Prophet Isaiah willing to signify
the like, He says again: ‘And now thus saith the Lord, who formed me from
the womb to be His servant, to gather together Jacob unto Him and Israel, I
shall be brought together and be glorified before the Lord2542
（繼續）如同我前面已經說過的，箴言中的經文並不是指道的素質，而是祂的人性；因為
若祂（父）說祂（子）乃是為了‘作品（works）’被造，祂想要表明祂的動機並不是要
表達祂的素質，而是那個‘為了祂作品的緣故’而隨後產生的經綸（Economy）。凡被塑
造和創造的萬物都是特別為了它們的存在而被製造的，好叫它們能夠執行道所吩咐他們的
，我們在萬物中都能夠清楚的看見這點。亞當的被造並不是為了他能夠做工，而是讓他先
成為一個人；而是在這之後，祂才領受命令做工。諾亞並不是因方舟被造，而是祂能夠先
成為一個人，然後再領受預備方舟的命令。在我們查考的每一件事例都是如此；