318時曾經有人po過柏拉圖的
「理想國—失控的民主」
最近的氛圍越來越有這種感覺
自己選勞動局長？
很奇妙的港覺
真的很希望現在馬上選總統
讓DPP完全執政
反正馬卸任後，我也找不到人支持了
應該很多人都會從訐譙政府
變成歌功頌德了
然後服貿就會過了吧？
然後黑心食品都會消失
陸客應該會變少吧？
財團就不會官商勾結
然後房價會便宜一點
也許國慶也不用升旗了
中華台北會變成台灣代表隊嗎？
幸福台灣就此開始
我朋友紛紛拋售鴻海股票
也算是給郭老闆教訓
財團嘛
『無論是國家還是個人，只要是極端的自由，最終反而會走向
極端』
『獨裁政體很自然地是從民主政體中生出來，最嚴重的獨裁體
制和奴隸 制體制來自於最極端的自由形式』
以下全文
理想國 失控的民主
柏拉圖
看看柏拉圖在兩千多年前，對雅典的失控民主如何描述： 他們把侮慢當教養，無政府當自由，浪費當高尚，無禮當勇
氣。老師拍學生馬屁，學生輕視老師。老人因為不想被認為
古板、威嚴，就開始模仿年輕人。市民遇到一點點限制就躁
怒，甚至不再守法。
...
When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom,then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.
我設想一個情境，一個民主城邦渴望自由，很可能選出最差
的團隊來領導，接受這最差團隊所有花言巧語的欺騙，就像
沉醉於美酒中而不可自拔。 如果是由正派團隊來領導，他們只要稍微要求秩序，不再過
份縱容，這個社會就群起攻之，罵他獨裁，還要將他趕下台
嚴辦。
And loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?
至於那些願意守秩序的人們，就被指為奴性太強，受到唾罵
；平民向官員高高在上， 官員向平民低聲下氣。這樣的國家走向極端自由不是必然的
嗎?
The father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no respect or reverence for either of his parents.
父親畏懼兒子，而做兒子的和父親沒大沒小，不怕父母，似
乎這樣做才叫自由人。
In such a state of society the master fears and flatters his scholars, and the scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old are all alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready to compete with him in word ordeed; and old men condescend to the young and are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be thought morose and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the young.
另外還有一些類似的情況。老師害怕學生，奉承學生，學生
反而篾視老師。 年輕人裝老大，向長輩嗆聲，針鋒相對；而老一輩的人則處
處討好年輕人， 學起年輕人用語說說笑笑，態度低聲下氣，學起年輕人一樣
行事，就怕被年輕人認為 是老古板。
And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority, and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written or unwritten; they will have no one over them.
重點是，公民變得非常敏感；即使只要求一點點限制，他們
也會變得煩躁不耐煩； 最後，你知道，他們再也不在乎任何的法令與規範，不會接
受任何人的管制。
The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease magnified and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy–the truth being that the excessive increase of anything often causes a reaction in the opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in vegetable and animal life, but aboveall in forms of government.
獨裁政體瓦解的原因同時也是民主政體瓦解的原因。同樣的
弊病，被自由擴大加重後， 就會毀滅了民主政體。——事實就是：物極必反。這種現象
，不僅在季節、動植物生命 中都是如此，在政治的形式上也是如此。
The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to pass into excess of slavery.
無論是國家還是個人，只要是極端的自由，最終反而會走向
極端的奴役.
And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?
獨裁政體很自然地是從民主政體中生出來，最嚴重的獨裁體
制和奴隸 制體制來自於最極端的自由形式，是嗎？