Can Atheism Support Ethical Absolutes?

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Can Atheism Support Ethical Absolutes? Is Ethics without Absolutes Enough?
Whenever I comment on atheism here, atheists who otherwise pay no attention
to this blog flock here to respond. Often, I believe, they have either
misunderstood or intentionally misrepresent my points. Also, often, they
misdirect the discussion by appealing to “bad Christians” and/or “good
atheists.”
My point has never been that atheists are bad people or automatically do bad
things because they are atheists. Nor has it ever been that people who say
they believe in God or claim to be Christians are “better” than atheists.
Not at all.
My point has always been, and I will keep saying it, that only belief in God
provides good reason to criticize the bad actions of those who claim to
believe in God or who claim to be Christians. The reason I can criticize
their practices is precisely because we both believe in a higher power, God,
whom we both believe stands above us all as the standard of moral behavior.
An example is Martin Luther King, Jr., who criticized the segregation laws of
the South in his “Letter from Birmingham Jail”—laws written and passed and
supported by so-called Christians. Some of King’s fellow ministers were
criticizing him for his civil disobedience. King appealed to a “higher law”
above “man’s laws.” And he didn’t just mean written laws; he meant
social norms and even social consensuses. Just because the majority believe
something is right does not make it so. Just because powerful people believe
in and enforce laws does not make them right.
But G. K. Chesterton and/or Feodor Dostoevsky (both are credited with saying
it) rightly said that if God does not exist, then everything is permitted. Of
course, they didn’t mean “permitted by law” or “permitted by social
consensus” or “permitted by power.” The saying means (whoever actually
said it first) that if there is no one, no being, above nature, above
humanity, above law and social consensus, then there are no absolutes and the
individual is free to make up his own laws and act as he will so long as he
is willing to live with the consequences if there are any. (Theism tells him
there will be—eventually.)
Whenever I say this, atheists rage, but their objections miss the point
entirely. The point is not that atheists will inevitably act out in bad ways
(whatever that means) or become bad people (whatever that means). The point
is that there is no one and no thing to point to to criticize and condemn
individuals’ or society’s acts except laws, social norms, social consensus,
nature, consequences, etc. None of these, though, provide ethical absolutes.
I have read Kai Nielsen’s Ethics without God and similar treatises that
attempt to establish atheist ethics, but, in the end, they do not provide any
solid ground for criticizing or condemning evil actions. They provide only
relative ground for it. In a world of Hitlers and Pol Pots and The Lord’s
Resistance Army, that’s not sufficient.
Of course atheists can choose or claim absolutes, but their assertions of the
absoluteness of their ethical norms are empty because everything except God
changes. Appeals to “compassionate genes” get them nowhere in the face of
someone who is determined to get ahead at others’ expense.
I often suspect that atheists who come here to debate me simply don’t
understand what I am saying. So far as I am concerned, ethics without
absolutes is feeble, flexible, weak in the face of evil. Only an appeal to
someone transcendent to nature, its creator and moral governor, can state
with force that a Hitler is absolutely wrong—whether he wins or loses.
Appeals to nature and reason alone cannot counter power. A powerful person
determined to do evil will brush them aside as irrelevant. Calling him a
sociopath or a moral imbecile will not touch him because he knows definitions
of such things change and, if he is determined to pursue survival,
reproduction and pleasure (the only three impulses nature alone universally
provides) at others’ expense, he will see no reason to bow to labels and
epithets. In the absence of any appeal to transcendence (purpose, ultimate
judgment) only laws will affect him, but what if he is the one who makes the
laws? Or he knows how to circumvent them?
I don’t really expect to have any influence on militant atheists; my
arguments against atheism here are aimed only at those “on the fence,” so
to speak, who are not convinced that belief in God is socially, ethically
important.
As this is my blog, I declare a limitation to responses. If you choose to
respond, please keep your response brief, civil, reasonable (give reasons for
your agreement or disagreement) and pertinent (relevant to what I have
actually said). This is a place for dialogue, not argument.
作者: skywatcher (skywatcher)   2014-07-23 09:52:00
很基本的教徒式論證啊,法律之外道德何來?然後下一步就OMG!這部分Matt Ridley的《德性起源》闡述的很不錯
作者: jksen (Sen)   2014-07-23 11:20:00
都什麼年代了,還天真地認為這種"絕對道德主義"的思想一定會會跟神扯上關係? 絕對道德主義不需要神也可以有一個很好的論證。我猜原作者大概還停留在康德那時的思想。就一個普通人的想法,絕對道德主義實在是很荒謬,常常只管結果不管過程。是一種非常極端的思想。
作者: xiaoa (不事生產)   2014-07-24 01:03:00
因為教徒覺得人類僅次於上帝啊~地上的事除非神插手,都歸人管

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