[心得] 暁婷小分析(更新)

作者: concious (one day more)   2014-06-18 13:39:47
This analysis follows the previous theoretical discourse on the analysis
discussing the character Siyao, with the character Xiaoting as the focus. The
wavering character setting of Xiaoting featured in Set, especially in the
past few days, has caused quite a few disputes online. This analysis argues
that Xiaoting has, from the perspective of psychoanalysis, undergone a
subjectification that eventually leads her to adopt a pervert gesture toward
the other, in other words, directly posit herself as the object of jouissance
of the other.
Before I begin the analysis, however, there are two clarifications I would
like to make. 1) psychoanalysis is a theoretical discourse that is
explanatory instead of argumentative, least universal. The charges that
psychoanalysis is an all inclusive tool of explanation ignore that fact that
all theoretical discourses endeavor to explain and understand the aspects of
human beings and the world one way or another. 2) I have written on the
unreliability of the multiple narratives of Taiwanese local melodrama and
especially emphasized the subversiveness of Set’s strategy of shooting and
casting at the same time. The introduction of performance theories before the
character analysis comes with specific intention: to remind the readers that
my analysis remains limited to the episodes cast so far and the analysis by
no means purports to build a consistent discourse on a character that is by
the nature of the genre shifting all the time. Any attempt to pinpoint the
character as such is to compromise the subversive elements of local melodrama.
A pervert subject may sound badly, a consequence of common misusage of the
term. In the theoretical framework of Lacan/Zizek, a pervert refers to a
subject who claims direct access to the other and the other’s jouissance by
positing him/herself as the object of jouissance. The term jouissance, in
simplified words, means pleasure in pain. In an ordinary subject-other
relationship an object mediates between the subject and the other, as the
other and its desire is both desirable and terrifying. (Please refer to my
previous analysis on the maternal other, and consult castration complex
online.) A pervert deposits him/herself as the object of the other’s desire,
jouissance. Jouissance, in simplified words, means pleasure in pain. Hence
the pervert puts him/herself in a pleasurably painful situation to fulfill
the other’s desire and by doing so to fulfill his or her own sense of
subjectivity. The psychoanalytic subject, it must be pointed out,
fundamentally lacks. During the subject formation the infant firstly cedes
its own love object, and then the infant cedes the maternal other in favor of
the symbolic father. The lacking subject forever mulls over the other’s
desire and needs a love object, which due to the nature of ceding, is both
painful both retrospectively pleasurable.
The above theoretical framework explains Xiaoting’s irrational acts to
follow Siyao’s demand to marry only to shortly regret. Similar situations
occur again and in recent episodes, further demonstrating that Xiaoting, in
the face of the symbolic order represented by the two families and her real
other, Syiao, in a sense enjoys jouissance.
Again, the above analysis does not try to exclude any other explanation, let
alone to provide a consistent rationalization.
作者: wjr2937 (掛居)   2014-06-18 13:42:00
頭推??
作者: glovech (loe)   2014-06-18 13:42:00
崩潰 怎麼辦 看不懂
作者: threesister (3姐妹)   2014-06-18 13:45:00
一定是我打開ptt的方式不對XD
作者: LoveJxJ (JJ)   2014-06-18 13:46:00
大家...我現在在哪...?
作者: jalin0803 (我就是個神經病)   2014-06-18 13:46:00
英文阿(眼神死)
作者: sphinx1031 (正妹的眼光通常是歪的)   2014-06-18 13:48:00
又英文阿....先pass
作者: rabbitdo (兔仔)   2014-06-18 13:48:00
我英文不好啦…
作者: stoller1209 (Stoller)   2014-06-18 13:49:00
愣呆中.....不懂還是推
作者: jpnice   2014-06-18 13:53:00
先推再努力!
作者: zjune   2014-06-18 13:53:00
con大文采風流、分析精彩,讓人看得神清氣爽、突破盲腸,來我來給你個推
作者: Roselle44   2014-06-18 13:59:00
求野生翻譯君
作者: mis626221 (灰藍色)   2014-06-18 14:01:00
大家好有才啊!我看不懂~
作者: trueblue (Flung Out Of Space)   2014-06-18 14:03:00
有比上一篇好理解,但要加入討論就還是讓專業的來吧!XD
作者: reneeeeee   2014-06-18 14:03:00
也以為是打開ptt的方式不對XD
作者: blacksea (一起到老)   2014-06-18 14:05:00
趕快推~不然人家會說你看不懂!
作者: lvgecg123 (徐哈哈)   2014-06-18 14:07:00
語言阿(茶
作者: sucloud   2014-06-18 14:15:00
英文?哈哈哈哈哈...
作者: jwency0105 (張小允)   2014-06-18 14:22:00
@@一定是我打開ptt的方式不對XD
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 14:42:00
請板大來翻譯好惹
作者: skyairo2 (air)   2014-06-18 14:44:00
這是要我們看瑤婷也要認真學英文嗎?有請Avi老師 XD
作者: Luke74 (Luke74)   2014-06-18 15:03:00
一定是打開的方式不對!!xd
作者: dotark (阿do)   2014-06-18 15:10:00
這啥....我看到英文字母阿崩潰
作者: javapie (盲目與耳背)   2014-06-18 15:13:00
抓到高中生又上課偷推文 XD
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 15:16:00
我猜原po比較喜歡思瑤...嗎?這篇比較好懂,原po已經白話很多而且幫忙換句話說了
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:19:00
自毀自虐來履行對方的慾望嗎,嗯....
作者: P636516 (P636516)   2014-06-18 15:23:00
只能推
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:25:00
我贊成自毀部份,但我總覺得成因更複雜
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 15:26:00
吼 . . 板大帶入個人觀感囉..XDD
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:27:00
我一直想找幼時瀕死經驗影響的文獻
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 15:29:00
荔枝你多想了,我只是認為原po分析思瑤更入理且有血肉
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:29:00
我是很想翻譯方便討論,但用手機很難搞
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 15:30:00
板大西類啦.. 我也是這麼覺得!
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 15:31:00
簡單來說就是曉婷痛並快樂著的順從思瑤的愛嗎?推版大 可能思瑤的角色比較立體 對她的分析都相對的清晰豐富
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:34:00
以我自己讀完後的理解,就是超級抖M我覺得瑤婷都很立體,只是思瑤比較外顯而已
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 15:36:00
martyr跟pervert有什麼不一樣嗎?
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:05:00
pervert的原因粗淺說就是未分化,講得更殘忍一點(很不想..)曉婷的自我就是"empty me/self",他不是愛到沒自己,而是本來就沒自己(再次強調是比較武斷的說法,我認為他沒那麼簡單)。所以曉婷的自毀是結果而非模式(pattern),如果客體所欲也是曉婷所欲,結果可以是皆大歡喜,而不會是自毀
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 16:12:00
謝謝版大解釋 就是說pervert的愛是像水那樣沒自己的型態對方的愛會成為容器塑造出她的愛的型嗎?
作者: kenzierj (No Regrets)   2014-06-18 16:13:00
終於等到了~推
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:13:00
這次寫的比較直白,可惜我的水平只能意會不能言傳QQ...
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 16:15:00
co大 能意會很強了
作者: yazi   2014-06-18 16:19:00
我的水平只能........等版大解釋 (淚奔)
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:27:00
想了一下曉婷過往面對自身困境/抉擇的態度,好像還蠻容易被牽著走的,不然Jasmine時期的思瑤也不會拐曉婷拐的這麼順手
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:32:00
cow大您這麼說就有失公允了,不是都說思瑤被曉婷拐嘛XDDD
作者: concious (one day more)   2014-06-18 16:33:00
現在在上班不方便回應各位 暁婷當然沒那麼簡單 只是我是
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:34:00
版大你XDDD我一直覺得拐是互相的,不過方法路徑不一樣而已(?
作者: concious (one day more)   2014-06-18 16:34:00
針對最近的狀況來寫 其他的我下班後再慢慢回
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:39:00
我沒認為他們誰拐誰,他們是無意識主動愛上對方,兩人都是而他們愛上的對象正好也愛他們
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 16:42:00
the fulfillment comes straight from her own emptiness towards the desire of the love object, that's to say, she might be an attachment of her own desire.
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:48:00
版大所言甚是,我說的互拐就是兩者不自覺的發散相互吸引的特質,拐只是比較戲謔的說詞啦XDD不過38集國際禮儀說那不是拐我不太相信(?)
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:54:00
不知道思瑤回家之後有沒有覺得自己中猴齁(...肯定沒有)
作者: trueblue (Flung Out Of Space)   2014-06-18 16:55:00
當時覺得中猴的應該是曉婷吧!
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 17:21:00
我認為一昧隱忍自己承受精神暴力本身就是一種自毀的行為另外,我認為曉婷並非沒有自我,而是她從來沒有面對自我,只是一直把自我交出去
作者: a656401 (isme)   2014-06-18 18:33:00
一定是我打開方式不對!怎麼攏誇某?誰來翻譯啊
作者: iWhat (莫名其妙)   2014-06-18 18:40:00
快點推~不然人家會說你看不懂 XDDD 娘子快來讀英文XDD
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 19:53:00
對精神分析一竅不通的我,沒辦法作有建設性的探討(死不過我覺得交出自我是曉婷的求生方式,也是避免自毀的措施扣掉對愛情絕不割讓這點,其實曉婷自己人生中的諸多大小事都是交由他人主宰的,曉婷也很慣於接受,沒太多彆扭(雖說衝擊的當下反彈是有的,但是這麼容易被開導...)也因為這個特性,導致天公伯超愛銃康她個性使然,環伺在曉婷身邊的各類事件都能很精彩她的配合也可以讓天公伯跳過她只管外部要素而曉婷人生中最能彰顯自我的那段歲月就是一心一意想殺掉偉哲並且想隨思瑤而去的時期這也是曉婷自毀傾向最強烈最外顯的時刻....這回非洲意外在外部強力介入下,曉婷終於沒有重蹈覆轍某種層面上也是靠交出自我來換取延續生命的時間這次讓自己成為Pervert卡進一段兩難的婚姻,也是一樣意思否則往極端的方向走,曉婷非常有成為恐怖情人的資質結婚當晚跑去堵思瑤還算是最輕微的病態表現了最壞可能就是殺了思瑤再自殺這種崩壞結局現在的曉婷儘管看起來很分裂,但我想還不到歪的地步只要曉婷能夠跳脫既有的生存模式並且健康的尋求解套這個中二之亂才能有個真真正正的結束以上只是個人淺見啦,就看接下來天公伯要怎麼銃康了(攤手
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 20:21:00
就算是所謂恐怖情人,曉婷怎樣都不可能殺自己愛的人因為他的負向力量只會向內不會向外,最多殺自己
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 21:15:00
啊~又英文..雖然很白話了..看嘸透啦XD若以享樂原則(pleasure principle)為引,確實能解說何以Young Adulthood階段的曉婷,盡是"主我(the id)"本色,要到現在才有"社會化"現象..亦或是願意被社會化
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 21:32:00
pleasure principle?
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 21:33:00
還有 我認為曉婷大概是戲裡最不需要同臉人劇情的角色Persona :從思婷死訊開始~建廷婚後
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 21:46:00
HIGH大的榮先生終於要出現了嗎(期待ing)
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 21:51:00
pleasure principle :越是限制享受,越是逾越,越是快樂板大~我跟榮先生不太熟XD..能不能怎麼說: 我認為曉婷是沒有完成"自我"(the ego)
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 22:00:00
是啊,所以說很殘忍的講法,empty me
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 22:04:00
但是她的individuation...卻又如此協調..然後 大寶當上心理醫師了XD
作者: iWhat (莫名其妙)   2014-06-19 00:16:00
榮先生是榮格嗎?? -->裝懂 XDDD
作者: concious (one day more)   2014-06-19 08:32:00
昨晚寫寫忘記回應co大 妳說的pervert比較是病理學上的我則是指一種被欲力(drive)所推動的模式而已至於昨晚的劇情和讓人想雜電視的預告...我想都可以指出暁婷的主體化過程正在成型
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-19 11:40:00
這個co應該是我吧?我只是個班門弄斧的路人不用對我太認真XD昨晚我不想砸電視反而還很開心耶,最少曉婷會想逃了
作者: ciphercindy (林小鴨)   2014-06-19 15:46:00
我打開這篇文章的方式ㄧ定不對!!

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