[新聞] Tesla在挪威與車主的紛爭落幕了

作者: Scape (non)   2016-12-12 21:50:06
大約在一年多以前,一群挪威的Tesla車主不滿他們買到的Tesla Model S狂暴模式
不夠快,於是向Tesla提出了集體訴訟。這些車主說他們的P85D馬力根本沒有Tesla
宣稱的有691hp,這影響到了它的加速性能,所以聯合了一百多位車主提出告訴。
經過了將近兩年後,這些車主們與Tesla達成了和解。
Tesla的說法是他們在官網上宣稱的0-100加速只需3.3秒甚至是被低估的,實際上
有第三方測得的數據是3.1秒。
這些車主不滿的原因是Tesla官網寫了P85D具備了前224hp、後467hp的馬達動力
加起來有691hp,但實際上把車拉到馬力機上面去測只有560hp左右
而Tesla對此的解釋是馬達動力必須考慮到電力系統的分配與電池的特性,並不能像
燃油引擎那樣相加(這是真的,土豪哥Let's talk about cars yo有一集有提到)
這件事情的影響就是從此以後Tesla的官網都把馬達動力規格都刪掉了,只提加速成績
所以現在在Tesla官網上都看不到他們用的馬達動力有多少了。
這些提出告訴的車主們(總共有132位車主提告,但挪威有超過1200位車主,看來也是很多
車主們不認同他們提告)最後與Tesla達成和解,Tesla會提供每位車主相當於7700元美金
的現金或是讓他們選擇一些車輛的升級包,例如解鎖狂暴模式、一組新的輪圈、
或是Tesla商店折扣。
Tesla真的還蠻大方的,就因為理解上的差異而不是車子瑕疵就對車主做出賠償
有些傳統車商製造的車真的有瑕疵被抓到了,也大都是只負責修車召回了事
很難看到車商會給車主金錢上的賠償。
Tesla這次花錢了事了,不過也算是又再打了一次廣告做公關
就算真實馬力測得是560hp,一台接近兩噸重的大型車0-100加速只需3.1秒也是很嚇人的
更別說現在最新的P100D已經有人測得了2.4秒的誇張成績
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原文連結:
https://goo.gl/depOaa
原文內容:
Tesla finally settles with disgruntled Model S P85D owners in Norway,
offers cash or upgrades
After almost two years, it looks like the disagreement between Tesla
Model S P85D owners in Norway and the electric automaker over the
representation of the power output of the vehicle is now officially over.
The issue moved from consumer protection agencies to the court and it has
now been resolved out of court after Tesla agreed to partly refund the
owners.
As we previously reported, the issue revolved around the way Tesla was
listing the power of its motors for the Model S P85D, which has two
motors. When first introducing the vehicle, Tesla was marketing the
vehicle as having a combined motor output of 691 hp (467 in the back and
224 in the front).
While those are indeed the correct outputs of each motor, the vehicle was
never able to achieve those numbers due to several other limitations than
only the combined potential output of the motors, like the battery.
Tesla claimed that they always made it clear that the numbers were for
the motors and not the vehicle itself, but some owners felt deceived.
Earlier this year, the Consumer Disputes Commission asked the automaker
to pay 50,000 Norwegian Krones (~$6,000 USD) to each Model S P85D owners.
Following the verdict, a Tesla spokesperson sent us the following
statement:
“Testing done by Tesla and independent third parties has demonstrated
that the Model S P85D’s acceleration and motor power numbers have always
been accurate, even understated. With respect to acceleration, Tesla
described the P85D as having a 0-100 kph time of 3.3 seconds, and Motor
Trend and others actually achieved a time of 3.1 seconds. Similarly, the
motor power numbers used by Tesla were legally required and confirmed as
accurate by European regulatory authorities. Based on this information,
the Consumer Council previously resolved these issues in Tesla’s favor.
Tesla will be reviewing the decision by the Consumer Disputes Commission
to better understand the conclusion that it reached.”
The company later disputed the decision and the matter was going to court
today, but a settlement was reached at the last minute yesterday,
according to local paper Dagens Naeringliv.
Owners were asking for 129,700 Norwegian Krones, which represent the
difference between the Model S 85D and the P85D at the time. The idea
being that those owners would have chosen the former if the power output
difference would have been more clearly defined. Under the terms of the
settlement, Tesla only offers 65,000 krones ($7,700 USD) to each owner or
the option to choose between several other packages, including a ‘
Ludicrous battery upgrade’, a new set of wheels, and Tesla store credits.
DN reports that “most of the 132 Tesla owners” who filed the suit have
agreed to the settlement – though there are about 1,200 Model S P85D
registered in Norway.
作者: PttCraft (WOT NA 怒伯)   2016-12-12 21:53:00
太大方不見得是好事,從另一個角度來解讀是鼓勵奧客行為
作者: shengyeh (shengyeh)   2016-12-12 21:57:00
因為我們是顧客 當然要鼓勵公司大方
作者: miayao417 (mia)   2016-12-12 22:01:00
解鎖狂暴模式 XD
作者: endless0121 (囚鳥不要開招 開招時機?2)   2016-12-12 22:02:00
其實這蠻好的 因為電動車牌照稅由馬力看 如果馬力實測較小 之後沒優惠免稅後 稅也是較少(如果稅金取決於實測它的馬力
作者: orny (射後不理)   2016-12-12 22:07:00
挪威人口似乎也才五百多萬,比台北新北加起來還少,tesla就賣了一千多輛。不知道台灣能賣多少?
作者: Brujita (Seby)   2016-12-12 22:12:00
汽油車還不是上馬力機後都變低
作者: PttCraft (WOT NA 怒伯)   2016-12-12 22:12:00
其他一千位車主知道了會不會很肚爛? 鼓勵集體訴訟啊
作者: JEON (果然是鄉民的世界)   2016-12-12 22:31:00
真是不錯的國家 在台灣 車廠講什麼你都得吞下去
作者: SakuraHana (櫻花)   2016-12-12 22:32:00
例如前擋玻璃破裂事件
作者: volcom (南台灣建材小天王)   2016-12-12 22:33:00
上馬力機 每台汽油車都不準啊
作者: endless0121 (囚鳥不要開招 開招時機?2)   2016-12-12 22:36:00
它在台灣上市後沒公布過馬力啊 如果未來需要繳稅 政府總要有個數據來源?
作者: DYE (跟腦殘爭最後都會變腦殘.)   2016-12-12 22:42:00
那就公布值改成560就好了 會買的人還是會買 不買的也是一樣為什麼要執著691
作者: warlord (瑪麗亞的添屎)   2016-12-12 22:47:00
就單純修理車商華而不實的廣告文宣啊 自動駕駛不是也乖乖修正成輔助駕駛了嗎 tesla愛搞小聰明被打臉了
作者: DYE (跟腦殘爭最後都會變腦殘.)   2016-12-12 22:49:00
既然特斯拉標榜的是非傳統的車廠 是個創新的那落實輪上馬力公布 也是該做的方向傳統車廠也該朝這方向改進一堆嘴砲馬力 到底有什麼意思話說回來 "一般"各種使用的電動機 標的功率 是耗能人人都希望知道買的東西能用到多少你隨便買個米 也希望知道是淨重不是毛重公布一些混沌不清的資訊 模糊消費者 並不是所有消費者都懂要是一個公司 該公布消費者重視的資訊 錯了嗎就我覺得 每個車廠都應該公布輪上馬力 或是中間值
作者: endless0121 (囚鳥不要開招 開招時機?2)   2016-12-12 23:07:00
想知道但它不公布1.你可以不買抵制它2.參考民間實測數據3.更正中文名稱沒什麼不妥 犯錯懂得改 才是正確的處世之道
作者: westwet (西溼)   2016-12-12 23:25:00
這很理性嚴謹呀~對提告車主和tesla皆然,是差不多先生和理盲濫情阿Q人士與擅利用此風氣的廠商太多,才把原本就正常的做事態度和案例,反而變成不正常、特例奧客會把車真的拿去馬力機跑實測?哈哈廠商敢寫,就不能怕被嚴謹的消費者挑戰,除非這廠商本身就不嚴謹且愛順手利用該國的民情風氣與媒體帶風向裝正派然後把簡單的理性嚴謹度問題弄得很濫情複雜,那才是糟哪國人不用說,反正看到一個殺人魔就酸人家監獄太優質、社福與法律太沒競爭力,車市讓不嚴謹的廠商坐大的就是了在此案例上,不懂理性嚴謹,只會酸人家愛計較、奧客、自以為最有美德最大方最先進,當然就變「正常」了
作者: warlord (瑪麗亞的添屎)   2016-12-12 23:41:00
阿不就和寬頻的廣告一樣 看的到吃不到 要依照當下用戶端來決定流量 這種事情早就屢見不鮮了吧~不需要護航
作者: DYE (跟腦殘爭最後都會變腦殘.)   2016-12-12 23:42:00
一般來說 電動機的最大功率 是指可承受的電壓下的最大電流並不是他的輸出的功率電壓跟電流的乘積可以短時間的超負載 但是會發熱 累積熱量大多數來說 耗用的功率跟輸出是成正比的但是消費者想知道的是能輸出多少功率 不是最大耗用多少功率
作者: xhouston (長島冰茶)   2016-12-13 00:03:00
沒參加訴訟就表示不認同?真是神邏輯
作者: Dayton119 (LLOO)   2016-12-13 02:46:00
輪上輸出?引擎輸出?
作者: ss70239ss (打我阿!打我阿!笨蛋)   2016-12-13 06:43:00
被美國人帶壞了....
作者: mOuOm (mOuOm)   2016-12-13 07:48:00
馬力是什麼很多人應該也搞不懂吧
作者: chandler0227 (錢德勒)   2016-12-13 10:39:00
電機有額定功率跟最大功率,整車綜效輸出功率不可能是所有電機最大功率加總
作者: oiolo (浜森守)   2016-12-13 10:57:00
有吵有糖吃XD
作者: YJM1106 (YM)   2016-12-13 12:26:00
輸入691匹電能,輸出560匹動能,有81趴耶
作者: abyssa1 (abyssa1)   2016-12-14 10:31:00
Tessa 重新定義馬力 汽油車怎麼辦?

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