Fw: [新聞] 美國徵兵登記,女性現在必須要登記

作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:22:35
※ [本文轉錄自 Gossiping 看板 #1NOaK22G ]
作者: FlutteRage (我沒看第三季之後的啦) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [新聞] 美國徵兵登記,女性現在必須要登記
時間: Thu Jun 16 14:19:33 2016
1.媒體來源:
紐約時報
2.完整新聞標題:
Senate Votes to Require Women to Register for the Draft
3.完整新聞內文:
國會通過女性18會時須登記在戰時會被徵招當兵。
上一次真正徵招時是越戰那次。
1月2018之後,18歲女性必須登記徵兵,要不然會有一些社會福利不能擁有。
1981美國大法官說女性不須徵兵,不過在隨著五角大廈開始開放女性參與戰鬥工作後,
國會決定該開放徵兵了。
馬侃(之前有選總統)表示贊成,克魯茲(輸給川普的廢物)反對。
基本上民主共和兩黨都贊成,但是共和黨內最保守的一派是反對的。
似乎還有一些程序要走,白宮方面跟國會方面還有機會對此法案討論的樣子。
WASHINGTON — In the latest and perhaps decisive battle over the role of
women in the military, Congress is embroiled in an increasingly intense
debate over whether they should have to register for the draft when they turn
18.
On Tuesday, the Senate approved an expansive military policy bill that would
for the first time require young women to register for the draft. The shift,
while fiercely opposed by some conservative lawmakers and interest groups,
had surprisingly broad support among Republican leaders and women in both
parties.
The United States has not used the draft since 1973 during the Vietnam War.
But the impact of such a shift, reflecting the evolving role of women in the
armed services, would likely be profound.
Under the Senate bill passed on Tuesday, women turning 18 on or after Jan. 1,
2018, would be forced to register for Selective Service, as men must do now.
Failure to register could result in the loss of various forms of federal aid,
including Pell grants, a penalty that men already face. Because the policy
would not apply to women who turned 18 before 2018, it would not affect
current aid arrangements.
“The fact is,” said Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and the
chairman of the Armed Services Committee, “every single leader in this
country, both men and women, members of the military leadership, believe that
it’s fair since we opened up all aspects of the military to women that they
would also be registering for Selective Services.”
The Supreme Court ruled in 1981 that women did not have to register for the
draft, noting that they should not face the same requirements as men because
they did not participate on the front lines of combat. But since Defense
Secretary Ashton B. Carter said in December that the Pentagon would open all
combat jobs to women, military officials have told Congress that women should
also sign up for the draft.
“It’s my personal view,” Gen. Robert B. Neller, the commandant of the
Marine Corps, told the Senate Armed Services Committee in February, that with
the complete lifting of the ban on women in combat roles, “every American who
’s physically qualified should register for the draft.”
While most Republican senators — including Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the
majority leader, and the women on the Armed Services Committee — agree with
the move, it has come under fierce attack from some of Congress’s most
conservative members.
“The idea that we should forcibly conscript young girls in combat to my mind
makes little sense at all,” Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas and the
father of two young daughters, said on the Senate floor last week.
After voting against the bill on Tuesday, Mr. Cruz said in a prepared
statement: “I could not in good conscience vote to draft our daughters into
the military, sending them off to war and forcing them into combat.”
The debate will now pit the Senate against the House, where the policy change
has support but was not included in that chamber’s version of the bill.
In April, Representative Duncan Hunter, Republican of California, offered a
provision related to women and the draft for the House version of the defense
policy bill to highlight the issue, even though he opposes the idea — then
voted against his own amendment. It passed with bipartisan support but was
stripped from the final bill in a procedural move.
“If he didn’t do this in the committee and spur the national debate, who
was going to do it?” Joe Kasper, Mr. Hunter’s chief of staff, said. “So,
mission accomplished.”
Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, made a mild attempt to strip the
language from the Senate bill on the floor after the Armed Services Committee
overwhelmingly rejected a similar effort, but his amendment never received a
vote.
The two bills will now be reconciled in a conference committee between the
House and the Senate, where a contentious debate is expected.
“It may well be a topic of great controversy,” said Senator Richard
Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, who serves on the Armed Services
Committee. “But it should not be.”
Military experts say that even if the efforts to compel women to enlist fails
in Congress, the issue is not going away.
“I think the change is inevitable,” said Nora Bensahel, a military policy
analyst at American University’s School of International Service, “whether
in this debate or through the courts. It just seems that now that you have
women allowed to serve in any position in the military, there is no logical
basis to say women should not be drafted.”
Conservative groups, which threatened to target senators who voted for the
policy bill, reacted with anger on Tuesday to the bill’s passage. “Allowing
our daughters to be forced into combat if there is a draft is a clear example
of Washington placing more value on liberal social engineering than military
objectives and preparedness,” one such group, Heritage Action for America,
said in a news release.
But supporters of the policy change say opponents are oversimplifying the
issue. “What people don’t seem to understand is just because there is
conscription, that does not mean that all women would serve in the infantry,”
Senator Deb Fischer, Republican of Nebraska, said. “There are many ways to
serve our country in the event of a national emergency.”
The Senate is expected to hold its ground as conservative members defend the
status quo. Mr. McCain, whose family has a long and storied history in the
military and whose daughter-in-law is a captain in the Air Force Reserve,
said to Mr. Cruz on the Senate floor: “I respect the senator from Texas’s
view. Too bad that view is not shared by our military leadership, the ones
who have had the experience in combat with women.”
4.完整新聞連結 (或短網址):
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/congress-women-military-draft.h
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http://goo.gl/KM6dwd
5.備註:
人家女森呢~
不過還好啦,現在流行的第三波女性主義者大概又要喊壓迫、父權、哭哭呦。
不過我想之前真正為了投票權、工作權等等抗議的女權者是感到欣慰。
作者: su4vu6   2016-06-16 16:23:00
記得刪推文雖然精彩的是...
作者: BATTLAX (普利司通)   2016-06-16 16:24:00
轉這幹嘛?先解決國軍內不歧視女性男女不平等的問題再來談
作者: leilo (Lei)   2016-06-16 16:24:00
是版規有改了還是怎樣 怎麼連三篇都像沒看版規似的(抓頭
作者: Kukuxumusu (Kukuxumusu)   2016-06-16 16:25:00
話說美國軍前兩三年 才解禁 同性戀不得當兵 的惡規但目前還沒有處理 變性人/性別認知 的狀況 (也就是被發現會強迫要求退伍 不可以繼續當 但他們明明是自願從軍 卻因為性別認同問題被棄 其實也還是滿可憐的
作者: UniversalGod (UniversalGod)   2016-06-16 16:27:00
開戰
作者: masatoxd (毛球)   2016-06-16 16:28:00
某人言論笑死我了 你以為男生自願去當兵的喔
作者: b5023556 (b5023556)   2016-06-16 16:29:00
我們要懷孕 你們要嗎?
作者: masatoxd (毛球)   2016-06-16 16:30:00
現在有多少女生不生 生育率如此低迷 還拿這個坦喔
作者: guk (guk)   2016-06-16 16:31:00
雖然不是自願,但也當了。你呢?在這裡笑嗎?
作者: weliche (時雨)   2016-06-16 16:31:00
有夠無聊的 什麼時候才能有新梗 來來去去同樣那幾句
作者: OAOA5566 (雪花喵喵)   2016-06-16 16:31:00
要懷孕不就好棒棒 最好每個女的都有打算要生 假如是自己放蕩愛玩就別怪別人啦
作者: su4vu6   2016-06-16 16:32:00
所以可以把懷孕變義務嗎
作者: b5023556 (b5023556)   2016-06-16 16:32:00
先去懷孕再來叫我們當兵!才當一年而已 我們懷孕比當兵十年還辛苦
作者: BATTLAX (普利司通)   2016-06-16 16:32:00
現在男生剩4個月 請問有什麼差?這邊沒人在問男生阿明明討論女性當兵 怎麼一堆男性當兵出來講話
作者: masatoxd (毛球)   2016-06-16 16:33:00
ㄏㄏ 4個月沒差 你怎麼不去
作者: OAOA5566 (雪花喵喵)   2016-06-16 16:33:00
女生可以爽墮就墮 男生請問可以不當就不當嗎?
作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:33:00
會被當逃兵ㄅㄧㄤˋㄅㄧㄤˋ哦
作者: su4vu6   2016-06-16 16:34:00
誰開始的我就不說了
作者: masatoxd (毛球)   2016-06-16 16:34:00
支持女生義務役 破除大法官歧視言論
作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:35:00
叭叭 女性有經痛可以請假 男性也想要有莖痛可以請
作者: kaiyine (夏)   2016-06-16 16:38:00
覺得懷孕很輕鬆的是老木都死了又沒老婆所以不知道嗎
作者: chouzen12 (丘人)   2016-06-16 16:38:00
如果當4個月兵可以讓我免包98個月衛生棉我還挺願意的
作者: shizz (吃不到羅蔔的驢子)   2016-06-16 16:38:00
register for draft跟台灣的徵兵不一樣吧… 何況標題跟內文不符,內文擺明還沒定案啊
作者: Sioli (客人)   2016-06-16 16:39:00
ㄈㄓ不要那麼容易被釣好不好....ETTom文章才笑完
作者: HuiHuiWolf (喵喵喵喵喵)   2016-06-16 16:39:00
以為經痛請假很爽嗎 只能一直冒冷汗痛昏在床上欸
作者: chungrew (work hard, play hard)   2016-06-16 16:39:00
女性要懷孕、照顧小孩,比當兵還累要照顧2歲以下的小娃娃,有時候睡都睡不好
作者: BATTLAX (普利司通)   2016-06-16 16:40:00
現在社會給女性的壓力太大了 生產 家事 教育 現在又當兵
作者: chungrew (work hard, play hard)   2016-06-16 16:40:00
我國大法官釋憲已經有明文,女性免除當兵義務是合憲的
作者: su4vu6   2016-06-16 16:41:00
除了懷孕經痛就沒其他理由可以坦了嗎
作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:41:00
可以生出來給老公教阿 你們去上班 又不是沒有家庭煮夫
作者: OAOA5566 (雪花喵喵)   2016-06-16 16:41:00
所以小孩都女生一手帶大的? 是的話我沒話說
作者: chungrew (work hard, play hard)   2016-06-16 16:42:00
這是就狀況不同而為合理之區別對待
作者: masatoxd (毛球)   2016-06-16 16:42:00
家事跟教育是夫妻間共同分擔的 跟當兵有何關
作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:42:00
"合理"
作者: Sioli (客人)   2016-06-16 16:42:00
0.0 隨便狗一下就知道是....這魚餌有沒有那麼好吃???
作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:43:00
還扯到懷孕 女性都是在當兵的年齡懷孕是嗎
作者: chungrew (work hard, play hard)   2016-06-16 16:43:00
有疑義的可去研讀大法官釋憲文,說明的很清楚
作者: OAOA5566 (雪花喵喵)   2016-06-16 16:43:00
好像社會給男生壓力少過一樣
作者: chouzen12 (丘人)   2016-06-16 16:44:00
所以你們這些男人是寧願包98個月尿布也不想當兵ㄇ
作者: kaiyine (夏)   2016-06-16 16:44:00
把當兵和懷孕擺在一起討論本身就是一件蠢事了w
作者: Sioli (客人)   2016-06-16 16:45:00
..引戰的隨便炮兩下就閃了 剩下一堆離題的一直吵
作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:46:00
98個月的衛生棉變98個月的尿布 偷偷升級喔防側漏 所以包尿布
作者: vdkl (阿歡)   2016-06-16 16:51:00
當兵是國家社會義務 你小孩家庭怎樣是你家的事
作者: thenorth (微微)   2016-06-16 16:53:00
為什麼那麼容易被引戰釣到= =
作者: vdkl (阿歡)   2016-06-16 16:57:00
扯甚麼生育 家事 那是家庭溝通的問題 不是全台灣的家庭都有
作者: shintrain (戰犯分析師)   2016-06-16 16:58:00
真要扯生育吼 現在一堆都不生的
作者: Sioli (客人)   2016-06-16 16:59:00
應該是本來就想戰,順著人家的話題叫一下而以
作者: ghghfftjack (慾望深厚的老衲)   2016-06-16 17:00:00
縮懷孕的那位是不想服義務役 想去別國的喇
作者: Sioli (客人)   2016-06-16 17:02:00
樓上這樣直接 會不會被水桶啊 幫你QQ
作者: gh34163 (這。)   2016-06-16 17:02:00
平常嘴巴說帶小孩是夫妻兩人責任,碰到當兵又變成女生還要帶小孩很累
作者: ghghfftjack (慾望深厚的老衲)   2016-06-16 17:03:00
應該不會喇 我也沒有丟連結 已經很佛心喇
作者: gh34163 (這。)   2016-06-16 17:04:00
兵役法第一條只有男性要當兵,改成男女都要當也會合憲啦把生理差異放進去服役時間短,憑甚麼女性就不用服?自我貶低還要沾沾自喜哈哈哈
作者: zerok (zerok)   2016-06-16 17:12:00
還真沉不住氣阿~~~~這種轉過來戰男女平權的看看就好 反正近期也不會施行阿~~~到老死可能都不會發生惹何必跟這種文章一般見識 女生不用當就是不用當阿~~~~
作者: kuromu (kuromu)   2016-06-16 17:15:00
哈哈哈
作者: cancan18 (18號)   2016-06-16 17:18:00
說個笑話 女權爭的是性別平等
作者: sleeplesser (嚮往蔚藍之海的企鵝冬冬)   2016-06-16 17:20:00
黑臉白臉,很有趣XDD,這裡越來越有趣惹XDDD
作者: sherbet   2016-06-16 17:22:00
戰時這樣的話很正常啊 過去即使沒明文制度 在戰時是男女都得被安排做事吧 你要說什麼啊? 話說你有好好接受國民義務教育吧?
作者: cancan18 (18號)   2016-06-16 17:27:00
法律唯一一條性別歧視的條文忽略女性主義果然是真●平權!
作者: sherbet   2016-06-16 17:33:00
樓上加油喔 多喊幾次你的權利就可以提升了 加油加油!
作者: cancan18 (18號)   2016-06-16 17:40:00
樓上一定是覺醒的新女性><嘴巴喊著平等 然後只追求自己的利益別人不平等的叫他自己去爭取真是太偉大了!
作者: sherbet   2016-06-16 17:44:00
所以呢~奇怪 這篇新聞說的是美國國會通過18歲女性要登記戰時徵兵的法案 罵的人是在罵誰啊? 要罵也該是貼看有誰表示他只要權利拒絕義務的新聞或文章之類的吧? 到底在幹嘛啊真可愛
作者: lightingray (lightingray)   2016-06-16 17:50:00
不管啦~美國女生不會懷孕 美國女生不會有月經啦~
作者: cancan18 (18號)   2016-06-16 17:50:00
沒有所以啊 某種人就是兩個字 虛偽打著平等的大旗 只追求自己的利益的人
作者: sherbet   2016-06-16 17:57:00
所以是問你你在講的跟這篇文有何干啦
作者: cancan18 (18號)   2016-06-16 18:00:00
真正追求性別平等的美國與反觀台灣某些新時代女性很難懂嗎 拍拍
作者: sam97 (Sam97)   2016-06-16 18:02:00
夜裡哭哭嘍
作者: ssam506 (ㄅㄆㄇ)   2016-06-16 18:02:00
女權自助餐 那可能跟你嘴這個 洗洗睡吧
作者: AppleAlice   2016-06-16 18:07:00
我覺得以現在的戰爭方式女兵是可以考慮的啦,但是要通
作者: sherbet   2016-06-16 18:07:00
原來是八卦流的對空汪汪叫式反觀啊 努力點唷
作者: AppleAlice   2016-06-16 18:08:00
過這條法案,同時也要解決女兵被性騷擾甚至強暴的問題這個問題好幾個國家都提出,但都沒有很好的解決辦法,又是必須要面對的
作者: cancan18 (18號)   2016-06-16 18:09:00
原來是_版式的夜裡哭哭無邏輯論述受教了
作者: sherbet   2016-06-16 18:09:00
乖孩子
作者: meredith001 (ああああ ̄▽ ̄)   2016-06-16 18:20:00
拜託不要 徵女兵只會搞死其他男性小兵而已
作者: cowyou   2016-06-16 18:26:00
一堆X豬,真的是豬到分不清“義務”的意思,還瞎扯懷孕,可憐
作者: centuryboy (二十世紀少年)   2016-06-16 18:30:00
懷孕?我以為這裡的都不是生產機器 單身一個人也過的好
作者: sakurak0   2016-06-16 18:35:00
講懷孕真的很好笑,你懷孕是大家逼妳的嗎?何況這裡都是獨立自主新女性誰要懷孕?另外你懷孕幾乎都是呵護倍至,當兵除了整天被狗幹清不完的油水分離槽,還得承擔高機率兵變,精神肉體都是考驗,你確定懷孕能類比?
作者: anoymouse (沒有暱稱)   2016-06-16 18:46:00
某樓怎麼不順便幫男友修圖
作者: eternia0920 (我不會用水球( ̄□ ̄||)a)   2016-06-16 18:48:00
這政策 在台灣要實行難度很高的 台灣有台灣的玩法
作者: patrick08 (嘿嘿哈)   2016-06-16 18:54:00
懷孕,你不生沒人逼你生啊 ,有什麼好吵的,一個人也很好不是嗎?還帶小孩做家事都拿出來講了,現代女性不都說教育跟家事都是夫妻共同責任了?怎麽又有女人要把那些責任都算在自己身上?
作者: ijwyj (獅子親吻羚羊)   2016-06-16 19:03:00
轉來這幹嘛,是只有女生能決定國家徵兵政策嗎?我建議開放公投交給全民決定,也省得某些人狂打嘴砲nonstop
作者: sakamotoha (sakamotoha)   2016-06-16 19:40:00
到這時候又在扯懷孕月經了
作者: abc7360393 (八卦山下智久)   2016-06-16 20:37:00
這篇推文真的奇文共賞 一堆有骨氣的性平主義女性被你們這些白癡扯後腿我相信有些是男肥宅載反串就是了 但有些看不出來
作者: sherbet   2016-06-16 20:39:00
講懷孕的那三個(b、l、c)都是男的
作者: a240daniel (GAGA HSU)   2016-06-16 20:56:00
噓原po調侃經假,至於懷孕就不是每個女的都會好嗎,那是不是超過40歲沒有懷孕的要補當
作者: yingrain (麗莎)   2016-06-16 21:19:00
b5023556是男的喔 拜託不要再來反串引戰了 這樣到底有什麼好處?
作者: Bright (璀璨的代價)   2016-06-16 23:39:00
女生要懷孕男生是需要喔 白癡政策
作者: ganbastar (兔仔的主人)   2016-06-17 10:25:00
女生要懷孕生小孩耶

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