[外電] 洋基隊考慮9月實行6人輪值

作者: phairst (我愛短腿玲)   2014-08-23 14:45:38
Yanks eye expanded rotation for September — and maybe beyond
By Joel ShermanAugust
The Yankees have a puzzle. They have huge investments and equal-size physical
concerns in their rotation.
What to do?
Pitching coach Larry Rothschild told The Post the Yankees are strongly
considering a six-man rotation for September and that it could serve as a
precursor for doing it on a longer and larger scale in 2015.
Rothschild cautioned that you have to be able to find enough starters to make
a six-man rotation feasible and that upper management would have to buy in.
And general manager Brian Cashman said that aside from “talking about it” a
bit, the organization is not committed to the concept in the short- or
long-term. At least not yet.
However, Rothschild was passionate about trying. “Absolutely” was the word
he used to describe if he was serious about attempting this. And not just
because myopically he has to figure out how to get the best out of Masahiro
Tanaka and Michael Pineda in September and that duo plus CC Sabathia and,
perhaps, Ivan Nova next year. But because he sees the epidemic of pitching
injuries, particularly the need for Tommy John surgeries, Rothschild says, “
I think people are going to have to look at a lot of alternatives.”
Obviously, there are folks still bemoaning the move from four- to five-man
rotations. But we are where we are and we are not going back. More guys throw
harder than ever before and more guys break down. The cost in days, dollars
and playoff chances lost are large. The organizations that figure out how to
keep their starters healthy are going to be king.
Consider that 10 teams have used eight or fewer starters this year. All 10
are over .500 and five of the six division leaders have used seven or fewer
starters. The average is nine per team, with the Rockies at a major
league-high 15 and the Yanks tied for fourth at 12.
Amazingly, the Yankees have not been sunk by their rotation. However, Cashman
said, if this season were played out 100 times, the Yankees would not have
solved their starting pitching problems in a large majority of them. I am not
sure. Pitching is better. Hitting is worse. Thus, I believe you can create
some starting pitching depth more readily than in the past. But is there a
way to keep key guys healthy? Will starting 26-28 times a season and getting
extra rest be better than starting 32-34 times in a five-man rotation?
I am not sure. But I believe it is worth a try and the Yanks are in perfect
position to open this laboratory, especially once rosters expand and they
have extra relievers in September. On Sept. 2, they begin a phase of 21 games
in 20 days. They also hope that during that period they will work Tanaka back
into the rotation. His dubious elbow, Pineda’s problematic shoulder and
Hiroki Kuroda’s age give them reason to try to provide extra rest.
For next season, taking the huge assumptions Tanaka does not need Tommy John
surgery and Sabathia can return from knee surgery, the Yankees have that duo
plus Pineda, Shane Greene and, perhaps, a re-signed Brandon McCarthy. That is
five. David Phelps and Adam Warren could vie for a sixth spot, at least until
Nova returns from Tommy John surgery or Luis Severino, Manny Banuelos or
Bryan Mitchell proves ready.
Remember, in Japan most teams have off days each Monday, so starters pitch
once a week. During the All-Star festivities, Rangers ace Yu Darvish said MLB
teams should shift to six-man rotations to replicate the once-a-week style
and take stress off elbows. Subsequently, Darvish was shut down with elbow
inflammation.
Can you convince pitchers with bulldog mentalities (like Sabathia) to pitch
in a six-man rotation? Because a six-man rotation likely would mean a six-man
pen (rather than seven), a team trying this would need players with options
so that they could move relievers, primarily, on and off the roster as
needed. As with any new attempt in a game of tradition, there will be
criticism, unintended consequences and expected bumps. Still, at least for
September, the Yankees should open this lab to see what it looks like,
particularly because they have Tanaka and Sabathia signed, potentially,
through 2020 and 2017, respectively.
“No doubt, you have to see how all the pieces fit,” Rothschild said. “But
I think it is something you have to take a look at.”
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洋基投手教練Larry Rothschild強烈考慮在9月實行6人輪值,甚至當作明年實行6人
輪值的前導.但是GM Brian Cashman說至少目前尚未決定.Rothschild也說要這樣做
必須要有足夠的投手高層才會買帳.
以下是個人想法:
洋基今年深受SP受傷所苦,改成6人輪值讓SP多休一天是否會改善這個狀況?要多一個
SP代表牛棚或是野手名單就會少一個人,因為可以多休一天,提高SP的投球數由100球
到120球是可以減輕牛棚的負擔,但是這就會增加失分的機率,外加上第6號SP的壓制力
更差,真的有單一球隊願意這麼做嗎?除非有人先試驗,然後發現前幾號SP因為多休一
天受傷機率減小外,也表現得更勇猛,這樣才會有其他球隊效法吧?
其實我覺得多一個SP對聯盟比賽精采性或許也有幫助,最近投手越來越強,讓打擊可以
多得點分又可以保護投手,似乎也不錯~
作者: pablo1126 (沒有錢賺 卻被叫賺哥)   2014-08-23 14:46:00
果然有人把達爾的話聽進去了XD五人輪值對長遠發展不見得是好事情
作者: Mory36 (Mory)   2014-08-23 14:52:00
把前幾號的場次分給6號投 會不會球隊爆更慘XDDD
作者: mott (關懷弱勢從心開始)   2014-08-23 14:55:00
這樣可以讓小聯盟某些投手有機會出頭天其實就把25人改成28人給小聯盟選手機會說不定更好
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2014-08-23 14:56:00
不如跟聯盟高層反應把25人名單擴編吧
作者: jojo2147 (d(_._)b)   2014-08-23 15:05:00
改登錄人數滿合理的,近代一直受傷
作者: anthony0323 (Anthony Chen)   2014-08-23 15:06:00
要不是田中爆炸也不會想到這些...
作者: st6012 (高町疾風)   2014-08-23 15:10:00
近代投手球速越來越快 受傷風險當然相對也提高許多
作者: cacac (就這樣吧)   2014-08-23 15:11:00
25人名單是美國說改就能改的嗎
作者: st6012 (高町疾風)   2014-08-23 15:11:00
只不過對球隊來講 王牌投手能上的場數就會少5~6場
作者: cacac (就這樣吧)   2014-08-23 15:12:00
不過用球數可以增加
作者: st6012 (高町疾風)   2014-08-23 15:15:00
然後很多球隊5號都已經是可有可無了 何況再生個6號出來
作者: secom ( )   2014-08-23 15:28:00
那如果6人輪值ACE受傷了怎麼辦? 維持更弱的6人輪值嗎?6人輪值等於是1年要有二十幾場要給最弱的先發
作者: TokyoHard (東京難)   2014-08-23 15:38:00
也沒那麼多吧.畢竟有時會off
作者: pablo1126 (沒有錢賺 卻被叫賺哥)   2014-08-23 15:38:00
我也贊成28人名單 25人實在太少
作者: TokyoHard (東京難)   2014-08-23 15:39:00
也許幾十年後,講五人輪值還會被人家笑是殺豬公,等著看
作者: st6012 (高町疾風)   2014-08-23 15:42:00
不過老實講 這點對每支球隊都一樣 還是比誰戰力強
作者: ClutchShot (ClutchShot)   2014-08-23 15:55:00
增加6號先發不如擴充25人名單讓可用的RP增加吧 維持投一休四王牌才能更多上場 找堪用的RP也比SP簡單一些或許可以讓教練少燒一點手臂 用球數不用那麼多
作者: pablo1126 (沒有錢賺 卻被叫賺哥)   2014-08-23 16:00:00
你沒有六號 先發還是操阿xd六號+28人
作者: gemboy (沉默的雙子小孩)   2014-08-23 16:01:00
有人長期研究追蹤mlb和jpn先發模式受傷機會嗎?不然也是印象派吧
作者: ClutchShot (ClutchShot)   2014-08-23 16:01:00
投一休四應該不是問題 是用球數的問題 可以用多一點RP來cover阿 5號SP都不太堪用了 30隊都用6人輪值行嗎
作者: gemboy (沉默的雙子小孩)   2014-08-23 16:04:00
研究mlb和jpn先發模式受傷機會應該可以寫成論文了
作者: Hungry (你今天餓了嗎?)   2014-08-23 16:04:00
有辦法證明120球投一休五跟100球投一休四的受傷機率嗎?否則是以什麼為前提來討論
作者: condition0 (康迪迅零)   2014-08-23 16:07:00
想知道120球投一休五比較不容易受傷的來源+1
作者: pablo1126 (沒有錢賺 卻被叫賺哥)   2014-08-23 16:09:00
你投一休四 就算場上局數少 場下也還是要練投 如果持續有在先發 還不如多休一天雖然休太久也容易受傷 但五天應該不會有休太久的問題
作者: ecs01643   2014-08-23 16:13:00
6人沒什麼阿 洛磯之前不是有陣子4人輪值
作者: pablo1126 (沒有錢賺 卻被叫賺哥)   2014-08-23 16:15:00
不過遇到賽程不密集的時候 牛棚日可能就無法避免了
作者: DLCSEA (類鑽之海)   2014-08-23 16:37:00
6人輪值 王牌上場場次減少 但若實驗成功 總比王牌受傷也許一整年都上不了場好吧 當然這一切也都只是猜想而已
作者: asd25 (別鬧了)   2014-08-23 16:39:00
沒意義 會受傷就是會受傷 又沒刻意去操
作者: st6012 (高町疾風)   2014-08-23 16:43:00
這問題在要不要變 和有沒有人試過和實際測過而已
作者: phairst (我愛短腿玲)   2014-08-23 16:45:00
120球休五天跟100球休四天 受傷機率的研究還未有定論吧兩個聯盟也沒有兩種輪值方式都實驗過MLB和NPB就是因為這一年投手開TJ的個案有點多所以才會有要不要試試看六人輪值的聲音 看會不會比較好這種case 不實際試試看也很難有甚麼研究可以定論
作者: pablo1126 (沒有錢賺 卻被叫賺哥)   2014-08-23 16:52:00
會受傷就的就是會受傷? 無意義? 神邏輯?連試都不試XD
作者: Apolina ( )   2014-08-23 16:58:00
我不認為25人名單會有6號SP佔著的空間~洋基會想嘗試~也只是因為9月有40人名單可以運用再加上~目前洋基並沒有很明確誰是Ace,多休一天也無妨
作者: condition0 (康迪迅零)   2014-08-23 17:02:00
有人沒試過就知道結論也很厲害乾脆7個投手 一次投150球好了
作者: lwifbf (耍冰小白)   2014-08-23 17:19:00
洋基居然變成實驗新觀念的球隊 這樣就不豪門了 哀哀
作者: asd25 (別鬧了)   2014-08-23 17:45:00
更別說SP不好養 第五號通常是炸彈 變六人輪值不就變2個炸彈
作者: CKHzz   2014-08-23 18:00:00
會受傷就是會受傷??? 根本神邏輯
作者: sonnyissonny (sonny)   2014-08-23 18:11:00
這算達爾教信徒嗎?~@@
作者: blackdevil (過了︿︿)   2014-08-23 18:12:00
多個不太能吃長局數的6號還不是讓牛棚累
作者: DerekJeter02 (Captain Clutch)   2014-08-23 18:12:00
美國要改很簡單吧 你當人家也是草創野球?
作者: ocean11 (深海)   2014-08-23 18:34:00
9月擴編才能這樣玩吧
作者: abc06 (阿咧)   2014-08-23 18:38:00
不是不可能增加 想想上古時代是一人輪值甚至三人輪值
作者: a2156700 (斯坦福橋)   2014-08-23 18:41:00
乾脆先從小聯盟開始實驗好了
作者: aganqq (aganqq)   2014-08-23 20:06:00
那洋基順便把達爾也買下來吧
作者: roxiang (天空之城)   2014-08-23 20:28:00
其實達爾沒入札金只算合約根本超划算超便宜的好嗎....
作者: k33536 (是什麼?)   2014-08-23 20:28:00
道奇隊:
作者: Atropos0723 (Atropos)   2014-08-23 21:05:00
我是覺得6號讓小聯盟新秀輪替會不會比較好
作者: Guerrieri (Taylor)   2014-08-23 21:06:00
我覺得可以讓墊底球隊試試看 不合就改回來吧
作者: secom ( )   2014-08-23 21:18:00
這種東西沒試個一二十年能有解答嗎?
作者: rockyue (...)   2014-08-23 21:40:00
可能是為了田中
作者: epw (Epw)   2014-08-23 21:59:00
洋基牛棚都抖抖了還玩六人輪值.......認真的?
作者: koil (雞兔哥)   2014-08-24 00:18:00
真的這樣田中明年25WOL
作者: c871111116 (廢文死北七)   2014-08-24 00:56:00
洋基從哪邊找六個人來輪值......
作者: a91003 (大便綠)   2014-08-24 01:09:00
想想看兩隊6號先發的對決!!!一想到這牛棚就要挫咧但了...
作者: Scape (non)   2014-08-24 10:28:00
洋基的牛棚哪裡抖了。另外如果六人輪值也是現在輪值+田中以目前洋基輪值的表現,在加上一個田中,這樣很差嗎?尤其是McCarthy到了洋基後根本賽揚上身
作者: taiwangayu (FUCK KMT)   2014-08-24 12:30:00
六人輪值會不會造成:投手價值對比野手再次下降?
作者: super009   2014-08-24 18:27:00
近代本來就已經趨向堅守固定五人輪值 除非有必要場合已經很少因為ACE級的耐操獲勝率高就刻意讓他多上

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