[外電]10 things I didn’t know about winnin …

作者: Zamned (Как дела?)   2011-08-08 19:28:29
亂翻
Tim Wakefield is almost there. After 3,000-plus innings over 19 seasons with
two teams, the knuckleballer who just celebrated his 45th birthday last week
has 199 career wins. Next time he steps on the field, which should be later
today, he can become the 111th person to win 200 big league games (108th if you
don’t count the National Association as a big league).
蝴蝶球阿伯在十九個年頭中投了超過三千局,現在老蝴蝶即將邁入一個偉大的紀錄。
上星期滿45歲的老蝴蝶剛剛拿下生涯第199勝,現在他將挑戰第108位拿下二百勝的投手。
Now 200 wins isn’t one of the great milestones. That’s what 300 wins is for,
or for batters 3,000 hits or 500 homers. But 200 wins is still mighty dang
impressive. You have to be a pretty good pitcher to make it that far.
雖然200勝不比300勝、3000安、500轟這些紀錄令社會大眾津津樂道。但是200勝
還是個困難的挑戰,只有絕佳的投手才有機會在生涯中達到這樣的里程碑。
In honor of Wakefield’s impending achievement, I thought I’d take a look at
the 200-win club and some of the more interesting facts about its members and
their 200th wins. One nice thing about the 200-win club—since there are more
members than the more prestigious 300-win club, there are more comparisons to
make. Besides, since this is my 200th column for THT, it’s as good a time as
any to look at 200 wins.
One quick note: in general, most comments here deal not with the entire 110
members of the club, but the 80 or so who joined since 1919. I’d love to
comment on the entire bunch, but Retrosheet and Baseball-Reference’s Play
Index only go back so far.
That said, here are some fun facts about the club Tim Wakefield is on the verge
of joining:
1. Tim Wakefield will be the oldest person to post his 200th victory
最老達成二百勝的投手
Let’s say Tim Wakefield wins No. 200 tonight against the Twins. He’ll be 45
years and 6 days old, which would set a new record for oldest man to win No.
200.
如果老蝴蝶能夠在接下來對雙城隊的比賽贏得生涯二百勝,他的年紀45歲又六日
將為最老拿下200勝投手的紀錄新猷。
The current record holder is Charlie Hough, who won No. 200 exactly
months after his 44th birthday. After him is Jack Quinn, 44 years, 2 months,
and 9 days old when he did it. By comparison, Jamie Moyer, was a sprightly 42
years, 7 months and 20 days old upon notching win 200.
之前的紀錄是由Charlie Hough所締造地44歲2個月又九天。附帶一提,老妖怪Jamie
Moyer的200勝是在他42歲7個月又20天時達到的。
Let’s flip this around: who is the youngest guy to do it? Well, the long dead
guys dominate this list. A sizable majority of the pre-1920 200-game winners
did it before turning 31 years old. Only one man has done it since 1920.
我知道大家都現在想問什麼。那誰是最年輕就站上200勝舞台的傢伙呢?要比年輕,
現代人是比不過清朝人的,在1920年前絕大多數的200勝投手在31歲前就完成紀錄。
在此之後,僅僅只有一位能在31歲前辦到...
But the youngest man ever? If you count the NA as a real league, it’s Al
Spalding, who did it around his 25th birthday. If you ignore the NA, the record
holder is the Hoosier Thunderbolt, Amos Rusie, who did it just before his 26th
birthday. He would’ve done it even earlier, too, but he sat out his entire
age-25 season.
清朝人很厲害沒錯,但是到底最幼齒的是哪位高手呢?別急!!別急!!如果連同
National Association年代一起計算,那Al Spalding在25歲生日當天的200勝將
是最幼齒的紀錄保持人;如果你認為National Association根本不是職業聯盟怎
能列入統計,那Amos Rusie就符合你的要求,雖然 Rusie在1896年缺席整季的比
賽但是他在隔年的26歲生日前完成個人生涯200勝。
Among post-1920 pitchers, the youngest is Mustache Gang ace Catfish Hunter. He
was 30 years, 5 months, and 11 days when he crossed that threshold.
1920年後的近代棒球,最年輕的紀錄是名人堂投手Catfish Hunter,他的紀錄是
30歲5個月又11天,當時他在紐約洋基隊。
2. Tim Wakefield will end one of the longest droughts without a 200th win
怎麼感覺好久沒出現200勝的投手啦?
Quick quiz: who was the last man to win his 200th game? Answer: Andy Pettitte,
back in September 2007. Nearly four years is an eternity between 200-game
winners.
派帥是上一位拿到200勝的投手,當時是在2007年的九月份。從此之後,還沒有
一位投手能跨進200勝的領域。而老蝴蝶可望在四年之後也就是2011年成為派帥
身後的200勝投手...
It’s the longest wait in a half-century, since four years and 10 days
separated the 200th win for Robin Roberts and Billy Pierce from 1958 to 1962.
Before that you need to go back another generation. After Eddie Cicotte won his
200th in 1920, the next member came in 1924, Wilbur Cooper.
這是50年間以來以來最長的等待,在此之前則是Robin Roberts和Billy Pierce共同
保持的4年又10天的紀錄;附帶一提,上個世紀也就是二十世紀的最長紀錄也是四年,
1920的Eddie Cicotte和1924的Wilbur Cooper。
The longest wait between 200-game winners is five years. After a slew crossed,
the barrier in 1897 (Cy Young, Silver King, Amos Rusie, Jack Stivetts), no one
else did until Clark Griffith in 1902. After Griffith, it was another four-year
wait until Iron Man Joe McGinnity in 1906.
當然,古人總是有些特別的紀錄!間隔最長的紀錄當然也難逃那些老前輩的法掌。在1897
年量產一票200勝投手(Cy Young, Silver King, Amos Rusie, Jack Stivetts)後,直
到五年後的1902年才有投手達成200勝的生涯里程。
As it happens, the 1897 quartet is still tied for most 200-game winners in one
year. It’s only happened once since then, in 1978 when Steve Carlton, Don
Sutton, Jim Palmer, and Luis Tiant did it.
現在我們知道在1897年那年有四位老妖怪們結夥締造200勝紀錄。不過這項創舉不是
唯一,在1978年同樣有四位妖怪追平古人的紀錄(Steve Carlton, Don Sutton,
Jim Palmer, Luis Tiant),單年最多的200勝紀錄就是由八位妖怪共同保持至今。
At any rate, at least those earlier droughts had the excuse of occurring in
pre-expansion days. Given that there are currently 30 teams, the ongoing
drought might be the worst.
3. Averages at the 200-win plateau
完成200勝時的生涯戰績
In the Retrosheet era, 80 men have won 200 games. Their average record upon
joining the club is 200-146. Strangely, no one’s ever had that exact record.
Three were 200-145 (Eddie Cicotte, Steve Carlton, and Luis Tiant), and three
were 200-147 (Waite Hoyt, Hal Newhouser, Fergie Jenkins). Thirty-six were
better than 200-146 and the other 44 worse.
根據Retrosheet的統計,有八十位投手拿到200勝。而這中間拿到200勝時的生涯平均
紀錄是200勝146敗,但是......有趣的地方是沒有一位成員的戰績剛好是200勝146敗。
Eddie Cicotte, Steve Carlton, Luis Tiant是200勝145敗少輸一場;而 Waite Hoyt,
Hal Newhouser, Fergie Jenkins則是200勝147敗多輸一場。總計來說有36位投手當時
的成績是高於平均線,而有44位是比平均線還糟糕,但是就是沒人能剛好達到平均....
Wakefield? He’s currently 199-176. In the Retrosheet era, no one had exactly
176 losses, and only a dozen had more when they won No. 200.
那老蝴蝶他又是如何呢??老蝴蝶目前是199勝176敗,在有現代紀錄以來,沒有一位
200勝投手的敗場多過老蝴蝶。再來看看古人紀錄,也僅有十二人的敗場是高過老蝴蝶。
4. Only five guys had fewer than 100 wins when they won No. 200
只有五位選手在生涯200勝時仍保有二位數敗場成績
Trivia time: In the Play Index era (1919-onward), can you name any of the five
men who won 200 games before losing 100? I’ll give you a few seconds.
你能找出任五位高手能在輸掉100場比賽前就達成200勝的投手嗎?
The first one did it really early. In fact, if you shift the border from 1919
to 1920, he’s left out. It’s Pete Alexander, who had a record of 200-95 once
upon a time.
這個厲害的成績竟然很早就有鬼神做到了,1920年Pete Alexander拿到200勝,
當時他的敗場只有95場。
The other four all are safely post-1920 pitchers: Lefty Grove, Whitey Ford,
Juan Marichal, and Pedro Martinez. Ford had the best record of them all,
200-79. Three of those names aren’t surprising at all.
另外四位都是近代棒球的人物,他們分別是Lefty Grove, Whitey Ford,Juan Marichal
和Pedro"whos ur daddy" Martinez;這五位大人物中,尤以Whitey Ford的成績是最好
的,在他拿下200勝時,他的總計場數僅僅79場。
5. Those Niekro and Perry brothers
神鬼兄弟
Two sets of brothers have won 200 games: Phil Niekro and brother Joe, and Jim
and Gaylord Perry. They have some weird items when it comes to winning 200
games.
名人堂成員Phil Niekro和Gaylord Perry分別和他們的弟弟以及哥哥一起達成200勝。
The Niekros had virtually identical records when they did it. Joe Niekro was
200-174 and Phil 200-175. That’s a surprise—Phil’s the much better pitcher
overall, and ended his career with a much better record.
首先是Phil Niekro和弟弟Joe Niekro之間的故事。儘管Phil Niekro的生涯成就遠高
過弟弟Joe Niekro,但是在兩人挑戰200勝紀錄時,總成績竟是非常接近的(200-174以
及200-175)。
Well, the record only tells you so much. How old they were at win No. 200
matters. Sure enough, Joe was one of the oldest of all-time: 40 years, 7
months, and 25 days. But ... Phil was exactly one month past his 40th birthday.
好了,你們一定會說Joe拿到200勝燈已經幾歲呢?怎能拿來和名人堂球星Phil Niekro
比咧?當然,Phil Niekro的弟弟在40歲7個月又25天達成200勝,是數一數二晚的;不
過Phil也沒贏弟弟多少,他是在40歲生日前沒多久才擠進200俱樂部的。
So they had the same record at about the same age. Phil was a much better
pitcher. He generally had worse run support than Joe did and was far better in
his peak. But beyond that, a large part of the difference in the Niekros was
what happened in their 40s. Phil just aged really, really well, even for a
knuckler.
從前段得知,Niekro兄弟倆都在40歲完成200勝。Phil無疑是個更好的投手,但是
卻不像他的弟弟Joe那般常請消夜。整體來論Phil在晚年的表現凌駕在Joe Niekro
即使蝴蝶球幫助Phil Niekro年延益壽,但是Phil在對抗歲月上硬是有它的一套。
As for the Perry brothers, they also had nearly identical records. Jim Perry
was 200-159 and Gaylord 200-157. There’s a bigger gap in ages here, as Gaylord
was 25 months younger.
Perry兄弟也是一樣,200-159和200-157的紀錄非常相近。不過Perry兄弟的年齡
差距較大,弟弟Gaylord比哥哥Jim小了二歲多。
Here’s the best part about the Perrys, though. When Jim Perry won No. 200, he
led the Indians to a 2-1 win over the Red Sox. The next day, the Indians again
beat the Red Sox 2-1 The winning pitcher? Brother Gaylord, of course.
Jim Perry的200勝是率領印地安人以2:1擊敗紅襪贏得的,有趣的是...隔天紅襪隊
再次遭受Perry的毒手,又以2:1敗給印第安人隊。不過此Perry非彼Perry,這次是
由弟弟 Gaylord Perry痛下殺手。
6. Best/worst after win No. 200
二百勝後,究竟是痛苦的開始?還是即將邁向偉大的航道?
Remember how Marichal’s record fell off after winning No. 200? That brings up
some questions. Who did the best/worst after winning 200? Who had the biggest
fall off? Did anyone actually get better in terms of winning percentage?
還記得Juan Marichal拿到200勝後的快速殞落嗎?我知道讀者都是嗜血地,你們的腦袋
應該迫不及待地想知道,到底這些好投手誰的死狀最悽慘?誰的表現是上一層樓?
Let’s limit this to people with more than 50 decisions after their 200th win,
or else the answer will be someone like Charlie Root, who went 1-0 between his
200th win and retirement.
首先我要做的設限,不然孰優孰劣很難界定(比如:Charlie Root在以1:0贏得200勝後
就退休的案例)。所以我的前提是在200勝過後仍然出賽超過50場的投手才有資格列入
討論。
Among those guys, the best winning percentage belongs to Roger Clemens, who
went 154-73 (.678) after his 200th win. Prior to that he won only at a .643
clip. (Pause for people to mutter a steroids-related comment.) Yeah, but he
also had much better run support later in his career, too.
首先,Roger Clemens擁有最佳的勝率,總計154勝73敗高達6成78的勝率;相比之下,
在200勝前火箭人的勝率則是略遜一籌的6成43。當然,火箭人身後的打者一直給他極佳
的分數支援,這是原因之一;然後有些觀眾會說,火箭人有不能說的咪咪讓他的成績頭
好壯壯...好了,至少在紀錄上來看,他的勝率是恐怖地高啊!
Next-best winning percentage after joining the club: Red Ruffing. Huh. Ruffing
is a guy who lost 90 games before winning 40. Pitching for terrible Red Sox
teams, Ruffing had an even worse winning record. Then he went to terrific
Yankee teams and had an even better winning percentage. Weird.
勝率第二高的是Red Ruffing。呼呼~~~你知道嗎?當Red Ruffing吞了90敗時他的勝場
只有40場。不過Red Ruffing待的是隊友根本不會給他分數支援的大爛隊紅襪隊,所以
戰績非常的糟糕;但是當他25歲轉隊到洋基國後,洋基兄弟倒是很挺他...
Plus Ruffing also aged really well. He went from 200-184 (.521) to 73-41 (.640)
in his final years. And yes, that’s the biggest improvement in winning
percentage for anyone with at least 50 decisions after the 200th win.
附帶一提,Ruffing在200勝後的勝率是6成40。和200勝前的5成21勝率相比,
致這之間的差距是限制條件下最大的增幅。
The worst winning record. With 50 or more decisions, Joe Niekro is on bottom:
21-30. That’s another reason he and his brother had such very different career
marks. That said, two guys narrowly under 50 decision were worse than the
lesser Niekro: Charlie Hough (16-30) and Mickey Lolich (17-31).
至於爛的部分,Joe Niekro榜上有名,21勝30敗的晚年成績和他哥哥老來俏的
成績有著天壤之別。其他200勝後開始走樣的頭有則有Charlie Hough (16-30)
和Mickey Lolich (17-31)。
In fact, if you shift the boundary from 50 decisions to 48, Lolich steals
Marichal’s crown for the worst drop-off. Lolich went from a record of 200-160
(.556) to 17-31 (.354).
不過如果把樣本數稍微放寬一點,Mickey Lolich的17勝31敗、3成54的勝率
將成為爛中之王。
7. Best performances in winning No. 200
200俱樂部中誰的200勝投的最好
Let’s shift focus and look at the specific game a pitcher wins No. 200. The
last 80 times a guy won his 200th, five did it in relief. Aside from Lew
Burdette, the relievers all did it from 1932-41.
最近的80位200勝投手,僅有五位是以中繼投手身分拿下。其中Lew Burdette在
1931年到1941年間更是一位專職中繼。這個問題我們主要是討論先發投手在他們
挑戰200勝時的表現,所以中繼投手抱歉啦~~
For the 75 starters, their average line is: 8 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, and 4 K
for a typical Game Score of 64 Only one pitcher, Greg Maddux, had a Game Score
of exactly 64. Forty-one others topped it, and 22 were below it.
其中75位先發投手的綜合平均成績是 8 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K。
By Game Score, the best performance ever belongs to that craftiest of
left-handers, Tommy John. He allowed two singles and that was in his 200th. His
Game Score of 89 ties his personal best. John is one of eight since 1919 to
toss a complete-game shutout in his 200th win. Since John, no one has done it,
though. Rick Reuschel almost did, giving up his only run in the bottom of the
ninth.
根據統計,最好的比賽應該是由Tommy John奪得,在競爭第200場勝投時,他讓對手
遊騎兵僅僅擊出零星二支安打,最後以完投完封拿下200勝。這也是1919年以來第八
位能夠在競爭200勝下完投完封的投手,Tommy John之後除了Rick Reuschel在九局前
攻盡棄外,目前仍未有人能接觸這個神的領域。
Don Drysdale probably had the most impressive performance of all, though. He
came four outs from a no-hitter. He ended with two hits, three walks, and an
unearned run.
Don Drysdale的比賽也是個非常棒的選擇,他投了8又1/3局的無安打比賽,但是
最後總結成績是被打2支安打、三次保送、失掉一個非自責分。
In some incredibly unsurprising news, the most strikeouts by a pitcher winning
his 300th was Nolan Ryan, who fanned 13. See? Told you it wasn’t surprising.
Ryan also struck out 13 when defeated by Luis Tiant for Tiant’s 200th win.
Only one other pitcher fanned double-digits in his 200th win, Roger Clemens
with 12.
而大聯盟三振王Nolan Ryan在他的200勝之旅還是照慣例飆出一堆三振,全場送
出13張老K來慶祝他的第200勝。另外一位能在200勝當中投出雙位數三振則是火
箭人Roger Clemens,他投了12次三振。
At the other end, three guys fanned no one in a complete-game win, including
Early Wynn with a complete-game shutout.
也有另外一個極端,有三位投手連一個三振都沒送出照樣以完投笑取200勝,
其中Early Wynn還是完投完封的無三振秀。
Warren Spahn deserves a special commendation for winning 4-3 in 12 innings
while batting 3-for-3 with a double. Not bad.
Warren Spahn的強投豪打也該記上一筆,那場比賽鏖戰12局最後他以4:3贏得
勝利,還附帶單場3-3一支二壘安打。偉哉!
8. Best hitting in #200
又投又打的200勝比賽
Spahn’s performance brings up the question—who did the best job with the bat
in his 200th win?
生涯超過300勝的Warren Spahn,生涯有35支全壘打。因為有了Spahn所以人們
開始問些怪問題。比如說:哪位200勝投手在地200場勝利中有好的打擊成績?
It’s Spahn, as no one else had three hits in a game. A handful of guys had two
hits, but only one since World War II: Orel Hershiser.
Spahn單場3-3的表現讓他稱王好一陣子,其他人打個一支、打了二支根本沒法相提
並論,直到二次大戰後的Orel Hershiser才能續傳絕學。
Only one pitcher ever homered in his 200th win: Bob Lemon. That makes sense,
given that he’s one of the best-hitting pitchers of all time. Lemon blasted a
two-run homer in a 3-1 win. Nice.
200俱樂部中,只有一位投手能在挑戰第200勝時轟出全壘打。Bob Lemon靠著
自己的二分全壘打贏得生涯第200勝,在他的二分砲助威下,最終以3:1贏得比
賽。
Two men tripled—Stan Coveleski and Hooks Dauss. Actually, Hooks Dauss won in
game memorably for other reasons. In that game, Dauss’ Tigers triumphed over
the Yankees by the ever so narrow margin of 19 to 1. For a long, long time,
that was tied for the worst loss in Yankee history. Then they had to go and
lose by 22 runs by in August 2004.
另外Stan Coveleski 和 Hooks Dauss這二位投手在挑戰200勝時打出三壘安打,
Hooks Dauss的事蹟更是值得特別提出,那場比賽Dauss的老虎隊血洗洋基隊,經
過漫長的砲轟後和Hooks Dauss漫長的等待後,老虎以19:1大勝洋基然後 Dauss
等到他的第200勝。這場比賽有很長一段時間是洋基隊史上最慘的紀錄....
9. Worst pitching in No. 200
呼叫砲兵支援的200勝
Let’s flip around a question asked earlier: what’s the worst pitching
performance ever by a guy who won his 200th decision? By Game Score, Fergie
Jenkins “wins” in a route. He beat the Indians—or more accurately was the
pitcher of record when his Boston teammates beat the Indians, 8-7 on July 27,
1976.
一個有趣的議題,投手雖然拿到第200勝,但是該場成績卻是慘不忍睹。有沒有這種情形
啊??當然有啊!!從分數盒中我們得知Fergie Jenkins擊敗印地安人拿到生涯第200勝,
歐~~~不對,應該是他的砲兵隊友擊敗印地安人隊。
Fergie got the win despite allowing seven runs (all earned) on 14 hits in seven
innings. His Game Score of 23 was the worst he had in any start all year. It’s
the worst he’d ever have in any game he claimed the victory in.
Fergie在那場比賽中被打14支安打,噴掉7分自分。那是該年他最慘烈的投球內容,
也應該會是他這輩子最糟的贏球方式。
Still, that might not be the real worst start here. Herb Pennock deserves at
least a mention. His Game Score of 30 tops Jenkins (though no one else) but it
was a very strange victory. He lasted only four innings. It wasn’t a
rain-shortened game or called for darkness—he pitched the first four innings
of a nine-inning game, yet the official scorer gave him the decision anyway.
Weird.
不過這種程度就說"最慘",後面這位仁兄鐵定不同意你的說法。Herb Pennock
的200勝戰場只投了四局,這不是因為陰雨裁定或是照明設備爆掉無法比賽之類
的普通狀況。而是確確實實的九局比賽...這場勝利究竟有什麼誤會,紀錄組一
直沒給出解釋,太詭異了!
And Pennock didn’t even pitch that well in the game, either. He allowed eight
hits and four runs, all earned. In other words, he allowed as many hits and
runs per inning as Jenkins, he just pitched fewer of them.
這場比賽Pennock投得並不好,被打八支安打丟掉四分自責分 。Pennock投的和
Jenkins一樣爛,而且吃的局數更加的少...
Vida Blue might have had the least enjoyable experience, though. After pitching
five shutout innings, he had to leave the game and didn’t return to the mound
for 34 days. I bet he’d trade a middling performance for an injury.
10. Best games and matchups
二百勝之間的對決
Even aside from the milestones achieved, most of these games were pretty good.
Twenty-seven of them were one-run games, including 25 of the 75 times the
200-gamer was a starting pitcher. Rather fittingly, most of the games were
pitchers duels. The most common score was 3-2, achieved eight times.
這種附有特殊意義的比賽往往演變成投手大戰。有27場比賽是以一分差終結,其中25
場比賽是在先發投手身上分出勝負。在此之中而3:2這種比數總共出現過8次,是一分
叉比賽中最常出現的比數。
It’s hard to point to one game as the greatest. Drysdale’s near no-hitter
would be one possibility. Billy Pierce’s win might be the best, a 5-4 for the
Giants over the Dodgers (and Don Drysdale, as it turns out) in 1962. That came
in the midst of tight pennant race between those teams. As it turns out, had
Pierce and the Giants lost that day, they wouldn’t have won the pennant over
LA that year.
很難去評斷誰的比賽最好,雖然Drysdale那個接近無安打比賽的球賽是一個不
錯的選項,但是Billy Pierce的200勝奮鬥賽可能才是最棒的,Pierce在1962年
以5:4率領巨人隊擊敗Don Drysdale代表的道奇隊。假如那場比賽巨人輸給道奇,
那該年巨人對上道奇的戰績將是0勝12敗,慘遭清盤。
The Pierce game is also one of 10 times the 200-gamer faced another member of
the club in his milestone victory. You can form a chain with guys sometimes.
For instance, Dennis Martinez won his 200th game against Atlanta and John
Smoltz. Smoltz won his 200th game over his former longtime teammate Tom
Glavine. Actually, both those games were also great pitcher’s duels with a 2-1
final score in each of them. Glavine’s 200th win came against Chris Holt, so
that ends that streak.
Pierce和後來成為200俱樂部的Drysdale的比賽,是200勝成員少數的對決。有時
候這對決會成為一條落落長地傳承,比如說Dennis Martinez從John Smoltz手上
奪到200勝,Smoltz的200勝則是碰到老隊友Glavine。更神奇的是這些比賽都是以
2:1分出勝負的投手戰。而Glavine挑戰200勝時則是碰到Chris Holt,但是Chris
Holt沒有繼續這樣的傳承...
Gaylord Perry has an odd claim to fame – he’s the only pitcher on the
receiving end of two different 200 milestone wins. He lost 2-1 to Jim Bunning,
and 7-2 to Bob Gibson in their milestone victories.
Gaylord Perry則有另外一個好有趣的紀錄,有二位200俱樂部成員是從他身上
奪取寶貴的第200勝,他們分別是 Bob Gibson(7:2)和 Jim Bunning (2:1)
完...
http://goo.gl/ePRHX
作者: l60km (/hr)   2011-08-08 19:33:00
綠字看得好累...但還是謝謝原po
作者: cena0605 (姜西拿)   2011-08-08 19:33:00
加油!!!! 蝴蝶阿伯
作者: BryceHarperr (BryceHarper)   2011-08-08 19:34:00
推老魏~~~
作者: abc0922001 (中士abc)   2011-08-08 19:35:00
第17頁第二行,"吳"三振秀
作者: Jaicabai   2011-08-08 19:35:00
推老蝴蝶!!! 推原po!!! 辛苦了!!!
作者: JoshBeckeet (被噓暴 是種藝術)   2011-08-08 19:35:00
好文...
作者: Librajames (JAMES)   2011-08-08 19:38:00
老蝴蝶!!!
作者: sdim (IT'S TIME)   2011-08-08 19:40:00
很有趣的翻譯~清朝人&邁向偉大的航道XD
作者: chsh320 (愛吃嫩草的老牛)   2011-08-08 19:42:00
老蝴蝶
作者: yungwena (你今天銀魂了嗎?)   2011-08-08 19:44:00
優質好文
作者: condition0 (康迪迅零)   2011-08-08 19:45:00
清朝人XD
作者: ps20012001 (開始想明年新計畫)   2011-08-08 19:46:00
年齡也是一種鴻溝 但蝴蝶輕飄飄的飛躍過去了 恭喜..@@.
作者: jameshu0910 (Buchy)   2011-08-08 19:46:00
很耐心的看完了~推
作者: JohnnyDamon ( 我回來囉^.<)   2011-08-08 19:47:00
25歲200勝很扯 一年20勝他15歲就在投了...
作者: freeover (free)   2011-08-08 19:48:00
好懷念派帥, 不是有傳聞他有打算復出, 季後賽勝投王!!!
作者: ps20012001 (開始想明年新計畫)   2011-08-08 19:49:00
上古神獸動不動就300勝起跳...=.=.現代人是營養不良嗎
作者: blackcellar (Let's Go Marlins!)   2011-08-08 19:50:00
古代棒球並不單純...XD
作者: WLR (WLR™)   2011-08-08 19:51:00
感謝翻譯,上古真的一堆神獸XD
作者: jason12308 (皇家禮炮21年)   2011-08-08 19:51:00
看得好累…(全都上古神獸比什麼...XDDDD
作者: realgenius (smiling angel)   2011-08-08 19:54:00
上古時代一年四五十勝都有
作者: piger123   2011-08-08 19:56:00
大Z如果完成200勝200轟 是否也算是一項紀錄?
作者: zax12345xx (傑克斯)   2011-08-08 19:57:00
上古時候的投手丘比較近,投手可以吐口水
作者: ChiroQQ (Chiro)   2011-08-08 20:00:00
老蝴蝶 加油阿QQ
作者: samnobu (吉法師)   2011-08-08 20:14:00
Nolan Ryan 那段有錯字,不過無損你的好文
作者: wazowski (ludan)   2011-08-08 20:22:00
感謝翻譯, 辛苦了... 但是翻譯的錯誤,說真的,很多...
作者: evilvens (嘟嘟)   2011-08-08 20:23:00
作者: wazowski (ludan)   2011-08-08 20:24:00
沒有惡意, 但是只看中文的部份容易被誤導...
作者: qoozxc789 (呵呵)   2011-08-08 20:24:00
Pedro "whos your daddy" Martinez XDDDDD
作者: zxcvbbb ( )   2011-08-08 20:24:00
T.T 太感動了 老蝴蝶真是襪迷的榮耀
作者: chancewen (閒人亂逛)   2011-08-08 20:25:00
(≧▽≦)b
作者: qoozxc789 (呵呵)   2011-08-08 20:26:00
上古投手也比較操吧 兩三天出戰一次不是嗎
作者: gwotie (第一台車!)   2011-08-08 20:31:00
給推
作者: Narancia (ジャサイカギン)   2011-08-08 20:35:00
whos ur daddy!
作者: nati (target)   2011-08-08 20:58:00
老魏加油...明天就200W
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:08:00
呃...必須要說一下...Wake不是在45歲生日拿到199W的
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:09:00
那句是說"上個星期滿45歲的Wake已經獲得199W了"
作者: wazowski (ludan)   2011-08-08 21:12:00
樓上, 中譯裡錯的部份還有很多...
作者: oopsmamamiya ((˙(∞)˙))   2011-08-08 21:15:00
優質好文
作者: Alexander13 (Alex)   2011-08-08 21:16:00
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:16:00
所以從那句後面就直接看原文了...
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:19:00
不過原PO一開始就有寫亂翻了,還是感謝提供原文 ^^
作者: TKWdEmoN (遺憾和眷戀)   2011-08-08 21:39:00
老魏~~~~~~~
作者: numb124 (Patrick)   2011-08-08 21:39:00
"不會給他分數支援的大爛隊紅襪隊" XDD 原PO偷渡立場喔
作者: numb124 (Patrick)   2011-08-08 21:40:00
感謝原PO翻譯
作者: TKWdEmoN (遺憾和眷戀)   2011-08-08 21:47:00
Red Ruffing那時紅襪每年差不多輸9x~10x場...是爛隊無誤
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2011-08-08 21:50:00
25歲 200勝 = =
作者: sony1256 (黃金海岸一日遊)   2011-08-08 22:14:00
上古投手數據 幾乎不太能破
作者: Asucks (我的老婆是超人)   2011-08-08 22:19:00
作者: Phatmen (Keep viewing brightly)   2011-08-08 22:22:00
還有 Glavine在Smoltz之前就已經拿到200勝了 當Smoltz
作者: Phatmen (Keep viewing brightly)   2011-08-08 22:23:00
擊敗Glavine拿到200勝時 老葛都快要300勝了
作者: MarcLin (soybean)   2011-08-08 22:26:00
Smoltz還有150SV阿 ...
作者: panjanhon (天下沒有白吃的午餐)   2011-08-08 23:07:00
上古神獸能接連出賽是不是少投變化球的關係
作者: searoar (暗坑大豆)   2011-08-08 23:47:00
收錄精華區6->6->1
作者: deathspank (戴斯班克)   2011-08-08 23:48:00
感謝翻譯 推
作者: sarspieya521 (HANA)   2011-08-08 23:52:00
天哪,原來已經快45歲了!!
作者: afulet (1歲就很帥)   2011-08-09 00:06:00
讚! 好文一定得推
作者: notmuchmoney (真的不錯....)   2011-08-09 00:07:00
老蝴蝶 差不多是最平凡的200勝投手
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2011-08-09 00:15:00
能在大聯盟投這麼久這件事情就不平凡了
作者: plzen   2011-08-09 00:24:00
作者: kicoking (飛機)   2011-08-09 00:47:00
有看有推
作者: skyer1042 (平心靜氣)   2011-08-09 01:09:00
落落長 有看有推
作者: noodlecool (xx)   2011-08-09 01:12:00
PUSH*
作者: charles2512 ( )   2011-08-09 02:13:00
真高興幾年前買了老蝴蝶的舊版客場球員版球衣T.T
作者: poplc   2011-08-09 02:26:00
作者: sotight (小J)   2011-08-09 02:41:00
原PO超強 這種長度的文章我光看中文都累了= =
作者: kusoeni (lala)   2011-08-09 08:46:00
老蝴蝶再加把勁啊...
作者: FatalLuna (風の恋)   2011-08-09 09:57:00
又挑戰失敗了...
作者: miabcd199 (超級喜歡周迅)   2011-08-09 17:34:00
25歲200勝...
作者: mrroot (Private Emotion)   2011-08-10 13:14:00
1962 Giants-Dodgers Pennant race那整個不對...

Links booklink

Contact Us: admin [ a t ] ucptt.com