[閒聊] Blitz專文: Scarra & Dyrus 談B/P

作者: fkc (Mr. 男子漢)   2017-10-23 14:58:56
Scarra & Dyrus talk Worlds drafting on Misfits and TSM: "Parth wasn’t even
supposed to be the coach."
https://goo.gl/uRHrHv
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Blitz 的專文
Scarra 和 Dyrus 參加 TwitchCo 時,回答台下的提問
主要關於世界賽歐美戰隊 MSF 和 TSM 在賽場上的 B/P (即Drafting)
[節錄略翻]
Scarra:
I’m probably the most qualified to [answer] this of the people here.
I was one of the main drafters on DIG and I helped do drafting and then got
helped on CLG as a coach. I also ended up doing a lot of the work for the
drafting on Delta Fox.
我大概是現場最能回答這個問題的人了
過去我是 DIG 主要的 BP 人員,並且擔任過 CLG 教練進行類似的工作
最近一次則是幫助 Delta Fox 進行 BP 的工作
Pretty much, you don’t know. No one knows. On each team it could be the
coach does everything: the coach and the analyst make the thing and all the
players are like okay, we’ll just play this. On other teams, it’s like the
players get almost full choice. They wanna play this. It happens.
很多東西,人們並不知道。也沒有人知道。
有些隊伍,教練和分析師掌管一切,他們說了算;而選手也願意配合並執行。
有些隊伍,則是選手有全權的選擇權。選手要玩這隻! OK! 就決定是你了。
I actually talked to one of the Misfits managers and he told me that the way
Misfits does it is essentially Hussain, their head coach, as well as their
head analyst come together and make the draft. The players just say yes. That
’s it. They don’t have any disagreements on it. Whatever the coach does,
they play.
我曾經和MSF的經理聊過,他跟我聊到 MSF 的決策方針
主要來自於他們的總教練 (Head Coach) Hussain ,以及他們的首席分析師
他們兩個全權負責 BP ,而選手就是"Say yes"去執行
中間沒有任何的反對或者質疑
無論教練安排什麼,選手負責比賽。
Every single team is different and honestly, on draft you work around a lot
of limitations. Maybe your player just sucks at this meta champ and he can
play the counter really well, so you just aim for that. Maybe you give up Sej
a lot and you play a really bad champion into it because you’re willing to
take a Tristana for that matchup, because that’s the best result you had in
scrims.
老實說,每支隊伍都不一樣;在 BP 面,都有各自不同的侷限存在
也許你的選手對於 Meta 角的掌握爛透了,但他能熟練相對應的康特角
那你就能依此來做戰術的目標
也許你放掉史瓦妮,又選了一個爛透的角色,被史瓦妮嚕在地上磨得亮晶晶
背後的原因,只是單單想要拿崔斯塔娜來走下路
這樣選的理由?
因為這是你的隊伍團練時,能打出最好結果的陣容了
So yes, constantly teams get outdrafted but the way I see it is, you can
always get a better draft. But as soon as the draft is locked into the game,
it doesn’t matter, draft is irrelevant. You can always win with a draft,
assuming you don’t get hard outdrafted, which rarely happens. So I think a
lot of people focus on the wrong things when they look at the competitive
draft. The draft happens and yes, one team may have gotten the better draft,
but usually one team loses because their execution sucks
所以,回答大家的疑問,是的,隊伍的選角的確有失誤、也有改善的空間
但是,一旦 BP 完成、進入遊戲;BP 的一切都不再重要了
只要並非 BP 有嚴重失誤,一切都還是有機會獲勝的
總結來說,我認為很多人在看比賽時,把焦點放錯地方了
BP 選出來了,是的,隊伍也許能有更好的 BP 決策
但實際上,隊伍會輸掉
大部分都是源自於他們在比賽中的表現/執行爛透了
Dyrus:
I think it depends on player mindset, because if you respect the
coach, you’re going to agree easier, you’re going to agree on what
champions are good for the team. But if you don’t respect the coach, and
this is a problem with the League scene in my opinion, there’s not a lot of
very… a lot of people gave Parth flack on TSM, but the thing is, he wasn’t
even supposed to be the coach. He only stepped up because there’s no one
better. There’s not a lot of people out there.
關於 BP ,我認為與人的心態有關
假使你對教練保有敬意,那你對他的決定、選角也會更容易接受
反之,如果你隊教練欠缺敬意......
就我個人意見而言,這也是現今 LOL 存在的問題
例如: TSM 的 Parth 遭到許多觀眾撻伐
但是事實上,Parth 壓根不是來當教練的
他只是在 TSM 沒有其他人可以擔任這個職位時,挺身而出來負責這個工作
So when it comes to coaches, the players need to also respect the coach and
that’s where infrastructure comes in, because when the player doesn’t, if
the player has an ego or is really feeling strongly about their pick, they’
re always going to be like, what about this pick? It’ll just be a longer
conversation and you can only do so much in the time you have on stage if a
player feels differently. But the better they get along, the better the
drafts usually are. Players usually have the final say unless it’s the
infrastructure, from what I know anyways.
所以,當談論到教練,選手需要去尊敬教練,這也是隊伍的基礎。
假使選手隊教練缺乏敬意、自負,對自己的選角抱持堅持
事情就會變成:"選這隻怎麼樣?",然後,開啟超長時間的爭論
但是,在比賽台上的有限時間之內
對於選手與教練的意見分歧,能做的事情並不多
經驗來說,選手和教練之間越和睦,那 BP 的結果就越好
然而,就我所知,選手還是對 BP 擁有最後的決定權的
接著,現場提問 Scarra 和 Dyrus
詢問他們認為現今北美最具執教能力教練是誰
結果,現場出現一段令人尷尬的沉默
(・ー・)(。ー。)........................
接著,兩人回答這個問題
Scarra:
No one really knows what they do. Coach of the Split can just win
Coach of the Split because their team does well.
沒有人實際知道每隊教練各自到底負責哪些工作
"賽季最佳教練(Coach of the Split)"始終可以贏得"賽季最佳教練"這個頭銜
只要他們的隊伍贏就行了
I personally worked with Tony Gray, CLG’s coach. Think he’s fantastic. I
also think Parth is actually really, really good. He gets a lot of shit for
what he does, but he’s one of the best systems people I know, in terms of
coaching. From another NA only perspective, I’ve generally heard really good
things about Locodoco’s coaching.
我個人和 CLG 教練 Tony Gray 共事過。這個人非常傑出。
我也認為 Parth 實際上非常、非常的棒
他對於教練的工作付出了許多心力,他是我認識做教練、下決策,最有系統的人之一
透過其他人的轉述,我聽說 Locodoco 也是不錯的教練
Other people I haven’t heard anything. And honestly, even if I did hear
them, without working with them specifically, it’s really difficult for me
to say. I think evaluating coaches is impossible, pretty much.
其他人,我則是沒有接觸
但老實講,即使我聽說這個人的表現,卻未與其實際共事過
對我而言,去評價他的教練表現,非常困難
我想在這邊去評價教練,是不大可能的。
Dyrus:
Basically, we don’t know.
基本上,我們不知道這問題的答案。
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作者: albert801020 (Han)   2017-10-23 15:04:00
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