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烏克蘭門．華府風暴》白宮公布關鍵電話通話紀錄　川普在彈劾案醜聞中越陷越深！
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閻紀宇 2019-09-26 00:51
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2019年9月25日，美國白宮公布今年7月25日川普總統與烏克蘭總統哲連斯基（Volodymyr
Zelensky）的電話通話紀錄（AP）
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│ 「還有一件事，拜登的兒子讓人議論紛紛，拜登阻止檢察官辦案，很多人想查清楚 │
│ ，如果你能與（美國）司法部長合作，那就太好了。拜登到處吹噓他如何阻止檢察 │
│ 官辦案，所以如果你可以看看這個案子……我覺得很糟糕。」 │
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美國白宮25日公布今年7月25日上午川普總統與烏克蘭總統哲連斯基（Volodymyr
Zelensky）的電話通話紀錄，上述就是其中最關鍵的一段話，川普要求哲連斯基調查美國
前副總統拜登（Joe Biden）與他的兒子杭特（Hunter Biden）。哲連斯基則回應會責成
檢察官瞭解此事，並請求川普提供更多相關資訊。
儘管川普強調美國對烏克蘭有多好，但在這場通話之前約一個禮拜，川普下令扣住對烏克
蘭的3億9100萬美元（新台幣122億元）軍事援助，各方懷疑目的就是要對哲連斯基施壓。
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2019年9月25日，烏克蘭總統哲連斯基（Volodymyr Zelensky）在聯合國大會發表演說（
AP）
為了打擊對手，要求外國政府合作
這就是華府新近引爆的「烏克蘭門」（Ukrainegate）醜聞：川普為了打擊2020年總統連
任選戰的可能勁敵拜登，竟然要求一位外國領導人與其政府幫忙「挖掘對手黑資料」，甚
至祭出扣住巨額軍事援助的骯髒手段。
根據白宮公布的通話紀錄（是摘要而非逐字稿），川普不但要求哲連斯基政府配合查案，
還要求對方與美國司法部長巴爾（William Barr）合作。換言之，川普為了打擊政敵，不
但扭曲國家外交軍事政策，還準備動用自家政府的司法資源。
司法部25日連忙自清，強調巴爾並不知道川普對烏克蘭總統提到他，從來沒有與川普討論
與烏克蘭合作調查拜登父子，也不曾與川普私人律師朱利安尼（Rudolph Giuliani）談過
「任何與烏克蘭有關的事務」。
川普在與哲連斯基通話時力薦朱利安尼，要對方多多倚重。朱利安尼對「拜登案」也介入
甚深，早在今年5月就準備親自前往烏克蘭首都基輔（Kiev），企圖為烏克蘭政府「上緊
發條」，後來在輿論強烈抨擊下作罷。
情報官員主動檢舉，驚動國家情報總監
外界原本不會注意到這場30分鐘的電話對話，但是川普政府自家的一位情報官員得知後，
深覺總統言行不當，在8月12日提出「揭密者控告」（whistleblower complaint），美國
情報機構督察長（Inspector General of the Intelligence Community）艾金森（
Michael Atkinson）與代理國家情報總監（DNI）馬奎爾（Joseph Maguire）認為茲事體
大，請司法部刑事部門提供意見。
巴爾領導的司法部在「通俄門」（Russiagate）事件中全力為川普護航，遇到「烏克蘭門
」似乎也依樣葫蘆，聲稱川普並沒有違反「不得從外國人士獲取費用、捐贈或有價值的事
物」的競選經費法規。亦即，要求外國領導人協助打擊對手不是「有價值的事物」。
民主黨啟動彈劾調查，共和黨全力護主
民主黨已在24日向川普全面開戰，聯邦眾議院議長裴洛西（Nancy Pelosi）宣布對川普展
開「彈劾調查」（impeachment inquiry）。目前看來，彈劾案有希望通過眾議院表決（
簡單多數決），但一定會在參議院「審判」時被共和黨擋下來。
川普照慣例批民主黨是在搞黨派惡鬥與「政治獵巫」。他的共和黨囉嘍們則堅稱，一方面
川普在電話中並未提到「以軍援換取調查」的交換條件，儘管他在通電話前已扣住軍援；
一方面拜登父子則有貪腐嫌疑，儘管烏克蘭幾年前的調查早已澄清此事，而自川普以下的
指控者至今拿不出任何像樣的新證據。
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MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
PARTICIPANTS: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
Notetakers: The White House Situation Room
DATE, TIME AND PLACE: July 25, 2019, 9:03 - 9:33 a.m. EDT, Residence
The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the
United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from behind, some-
body who wasn't given much of a change, and you ended up winning easily. It's
a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big
and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to
you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your
skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example for our elections
and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique
situation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I'm able to tell you
the following: the first time, you called me to congratulate me when I won my
presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my
party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you
can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.
The President: [laughter] That's a very good idea. I think your country is
very happy about that.
President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work
hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in
many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians,
because we want to have a new format and a new type of government. You are a
great teacher for us and in that.
The President: Well it is very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do
a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than
the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they
are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's
something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela
Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn't do anything. A lot of the European
countries are the same way, so I think it's something you want to look at but
the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's
reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the
United States has been very very good to Ukraine.
President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually
1000% and I can tell you the following: I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did
meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron, and I told them that they
are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the
sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much
as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the
European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States
is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you
for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more
than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against
the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support
in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next
steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United
States for defense purposes.
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country
has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to
find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowd-
strike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say
Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation...
I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like
to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to
get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with
a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent perfor-
mance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do,
it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is. very important for me and everything that you
just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are
open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on coopera-
tion in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I
just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a
very competent and very experienced ambassador who wtll work hard on making
sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to
see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with
you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of
my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very
much that Mr. G1uliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once
he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have
nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the
best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are
friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our
country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround
myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as
the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and
candidly. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and
he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about
that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very
bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor
of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask
him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's
happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would
be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad
news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I
just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about
Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to
find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be
great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you
can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all
I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the
absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100%
my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will
start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situa-
tion, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue
of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to re-
store the honesty so we will take care of that and wi11 work on the investiga-
tion of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any addi-
tional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for
the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with
regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall
her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me
that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude to-
wards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she
was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.
The President: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr.
Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr
call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I
heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor
so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better
I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many
Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.
President Zelenskyy: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few
Ukrain1an friends that live in the United States. Actually last time I
traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I
stayed at the Trump Tower. I will talk to them and I hope to see them again
in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the
United States, specifically Washington DC. On the other hand, I also want td
ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the
investigation. As to the economy, there is much potential for our two
countries and one of the issues that is very important for Ukraine is energy
independence. I believe we can be very successful and cooperating on energy
independence witp United States. We are already working on cooperation. We
are buying American oil but I am very hopeful for a future meeting. We will
have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get
to know each other better. I would like to thank you very much for your
support.
The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will
tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would
like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we'll
work that out. I look forward to seeing you.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much. I would be very happy to come and
would be happy to meet with you personally and get to know you better. I am
looking forward to our meeting and I also would like to invite you to visit
Ukraine and come to the city bf Kyiv which is a beautiful city. We have a
beautiful country which would welcome you. On the other hand, I believe that
on September 1 we will be in Poland and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After
that, it might be a very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine. We can either
take my plane and go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably
much better than mine.
The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in
Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to be there at
that time.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.
The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you've done. The whole world
was watching. I'm not sure it was so much of an upset but congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.