[心情] 柯醫師爭議文章摘要中文翻議

作者: oberon1013 (ç ´420了.)   2014-11-21 21:05:38
Both family consent and legal consent were required for organ/tissue
donation from non-heart-beating donors (NHBD) in Taiwan.
取得家屬與法律同意
(P.S. NHBD和現在各位鍵盤醫師認定的移植條件不是同一群人,
這些人是不用判腦死的)
A district attorney had to come to the bedside to confirm the donor's asystole,
confirm the family consent, and complete some legal documents before a legal
consent was issued for organ donation.
要等到檢察官到場確認患者已無心跳,有家屬同意與相關法律文件
The resultant warm ischemic time would be unpredictably long and in fact
precluded the organ donation from NHBD in Taiwan.
在台灣這些無謂的時間浪費是難以預測的久, 而且阻礙了部份器官移植的可能
We developed a method of using extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO)
to maintain NHBD for a longer time and prevent warm ischemic injury of the
donor abdominal organs.
因此,我們發展出一個方法,在這個等待期能防止器官衰敗
After ventilator disconnection in NHBD, phentolamine and heparin were
injected and mannitol infusion was given.
拔掉呼吸器後,打phentolamine, heparine, mannitol
After the donor's asystole was confirmed by the electrocardiogram (EKG)
strip recording, the ECMO support was set up through the right femoral
veno-arterial route,
由心電圖確認捐贈者已無心跳,開始放置ECMO
an occlusion balloon catheter was inserted through the left femoral artery
to occlude the thoracic aorta, and bilateral femoral arteries were ligated.
放入一個阻隔氣球到左股動脈(左下肢最大動脈), 完全阻擋胸主動脈的血,並將雙側
股動脈的結紮掉(指遠端)
(P.S. 前幾篇有鍵盤醫師回說這是IABP用來保護心臟的, 我快笑死了,
想回打臉文之前,連柯醫師的paper都不看,你們也認真點好嗎?)
Usually, the ECMO could begin within 10 min after the donor's asystole.
通常我們只需10分鐘可搞定
The ECMO, combined with a cooler, provided cold oxygenated blood to the
abdominal visceral organs,and prevented their warm ischemic injuries.
Under the ECMO support (range: 45-70 min), eight renal grafts were procured
from 4 NHBD.
點點點ECMO的好處
With the exception of the first two renal grafts with delayed function, all
others had immediate function postoperatively and dialysis was no
longer needed.
我們這個方法在器官移植成功上的介紹
In conclusion, by our ECMO technique, NHBD could be maintained for a longer
time and the renal grafts had better immediate postoperative function than
those reported by other methods.
結論, 使用ECMO可以在 NHBD患者上維持器官新鮮度更久.
作者: Ofnir   2014-11-21 21:06:00
通過審稿還標明爭議文章...?
作者: arsonlolita (XJ87)   2014-11-21 21:07:00
抓到了!請柯p退選!!
作者: oberon1013 (ç ´420了.)   2014-11-21 21:07:00
1F你真的懂什麼叫paper, paper就是還不能寫入教科書
作者: HydeTseng (H.T)   2014-11-21 21:07:00
真的 記得叫KMT緊咬到11/29喔
作者: Ofnir   2014-11-21 21:07:00
現在就是說捐器官的程序是違法的 以後台灣請別等器官了除了這次選舉的立委 這15年了 經歷多少次檢驗的叫爭議?另外我自己是學術界的 你在跟我談懂paper??!!
作者: larusa (最愛小熊寶貝)   2014-11-21 21:09:00
放心 醫師不會知道某些人當初跳出來替垃圾黨的垃圾立委
作者: Ofnir   2014-11-21 21:09:00
別搞得這樣low...
作者: Narusawayui (鳴澤唯)   2014-11-21 21:10:00
最後會變成修法...是吧?
作者: larusa (最愛小熊寶貝)   2014-11-21 21:10:00
贊聲的 真要生病至少還有 "只壞一半"的器官可以用
作者: DaringDo (天馬無畏)   2014-11-21 21:11:00
原PO想嗆一樓結果失敗 GG
作者: jerry000121 (YoYO)   2014-11-21 21:16:00
是說你只拿abstract來看是要幹麽?
作者: ericial (我超愛我的bebe)   2014-11-21 21:17:00
怎麼不翻個全文瞧瞧
作者: jerry000121 (YoYO)   2014-11-21 21:17:00
你的爭議是蘇、廖、費認定的爭議吧XD
作者: iceonly (只有冰)   2014-11-21 21:19:00
所以各種什麼秀下限狂丟票的說法,實際上是加分的
作者: jerry000121 (YoYO)   2014-11-21 21:20:00
你真的讓人很懷疑是不是醫師欸呵呵,訓練都假的嗎
作者: tortoise1017 (ChihYun)   2014-11-21 21:21:00
@@~那腦死判斷下了沒?Paper沒說是未腦死
作者: tehao0922 (阿皓)   2014-11-21 21:32:00
因為我不是很熟這一塊部分,所以我想問一下我記得以前要捐贈器官,是要在捐贈者在腦死的情況下才能捐贈,所以像是之前死刑犯想要捐贈器官,一定是打頭
作者: tortoise1017 (ChihYun)   2014-11-21 21:34:00
Paper並未寫是否腦死,是黑函爆料說是未腦死
作者: tehao0922 (阿皓)   2014-11-21 21:34:00
而不是打心臟,我想確認的事,現在有爭議的部份到底是未腦死就搞了,還是說是已經腦死了,才做後續動作
作者: tortoise1017 (ChihYun)   2014-11-21 21:35:00
剛剛三立有在討論,黑函爆料未腦死=>立委拿paper當証據,但Paper並不是在講未腦死案例
作者: jerry000121 (YoYO)   2014-11-21 21:36:00
規定是腦死才能開,但有些狀況無法判定腦死
作者: tortoise1017 (ChihYun)   2014-11-21 21:41:00
有點亂,好像是他們把Paper和黑函連在一起所有會有說不清的感覺
作者: jerry000121 (YoYO)   2014-11-21 21:43:00
但供不應求,所以就試著去使用無心跳患者的器官這類患者是需要強心劑或維生裝置才能活的,一拿掉就馬上掰了。那柯p等人在家屬都同意下將維生系統拔除,並用ECMO去維持器官的新鮮以防壞掉蘇清泉他們在質疑說醫師不能這樣為了摘器官使病人死亡
作者: tortoise1017 (ChihYun)   2014-11-21 21:48:00
嗯,所以paper本身沒問題,但有人把它和黑函聯在一起
作者: jerry000121 (YoYO)   2014-11-21 21:49:00
我初略看了一下蘇跟廖的質疑大致是這樣,有錯指正
作者: tortoise1017 (ChihYun)   2014-11-21 21:49:00
就變成"強摘未腦死器官"
作者: thomaspig (沈豬)   2014-11-21 23:10:00
這是"國際期刊" 不是路邊小conference 會過就是沒爭議

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