[轉錄] 明代漢人領先西洋世界第一?

作者: brbear (I'm professional)   2022-02-09 12:56:55
難怪明粉一直捧明國
原來人家曾經領先過歐洲
日本連列強都不是
閩南人客家人外省人一堆漢人後代
有感到與有榮焉?
作者: googolplex (googolplex) 看板: historia
標題: [請益] 外國人:明朝是15世紀的地球上最強大國家?
時間: Tue Feb 8 16:32:23 2022
外國人認為 明朝是15世紀的地球上最強大國家?
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Ming
The Great Ming Empire owes its origins to the collapse of the Flag of Yuan
Yuan dynasty from Flag of Mongolia Mongolia and the period of rebellion and
strife that struck China in the mid-14th century. From this age of chaos, the
Ming emerged as the greatest power in China, eliminating their Han rivals and
pushing the descendants of Kublai Khan back to the Great Wall. After eighty
years of governance, the Ming have firmly established themselves as the
preeminent power in East Asia.
Even though Ming continues to prosper, its international presence has flagged
since the end of Zheng He's voyages, and new realms have posed fresh
challenges to the empire. In the divided north, nomads have begun to coalesce
under the leadership of the Flag of Oirat Oirat warlord Esen, who aspires to
become the new Great Khan of all the Mongols. Ming diplomacy at least
prevented a similar movement from happening among the Jurchen tribes to the
northeast, where Imperial policy has encouraged infighting among the nomads.
While the fractious and distracted Jurchens are unlikely to pose a threat any
time soon, Esen's Oirats may prove to be a very formidable foe indeed.
Ming's relations in the south are somewhat better. Flag of Dai Viet Dai Viet
freed itself from Ming domination only two decades prior, and still remains
wary of its Chinese neighbor to the north. Other powers in the region have a
more positive opinion of Ming, but mountains and jungles mean that Ming
receives little more than token tributes from the southern kingdoms.
Ming's relations are strongest with the Joseon dynasty of Flag of Korea
Korea. Both Ming and the Joseon dynasty emerged from the ashes of the Great
Yuan, and thanks to their common adherence to Confucian philosophy both have
maintained strong bonds ever since.
Not all of Ming's troubles are external; the Mandate of Heaven is a fickle
one, and if the Emperor's authority wavers too much then there are those who
may choose to shun the Ming altogether. China would have to fall far indeed
to reach such dire straits; in the 15th century, the Great Ming Empire is by
far the strongest realm in Asia, and quite possibly on Earth!
In 1444, the Great Powers are:
1.Ming Ming 2.Mamluks Mamluks 3.England England 4.Ottomans Ottomans
5.France France 6.Castile Castile 7.Timurids Timurids 8.Aragon Aragon
翻譯
大明帝國發端於蒙古的元王朝的崩潰,以及14世紀中葉襲擾中國的動亂與紛爭。亂世之中
,大明誕生為中華大地上最強大的勢力,消滅他們同為漢人的對手,將忽必烈汗的子孫趕
出長城。開國八十年,大明已然穩坐東亞龍頭寶座。
儘管大明依舊繁榮,然而其國際影響在鄭和的遠航結束後便陷入衰退,新生國家也為帝國
帶來了嶄新的挑戰。在分裂的北方,遊牧民向渴望成為新蒙古大汗的瓦刺首領也先麾下聚
集。先前明朝的外交手段至少阻止東北的女真部族統一在一起,這歸功於明朝煽動遊牧民
內鬥的政策。雖然易怒又瘋狂的女真部似乎短期內不太可能成為威脅,也先率領的瓦刺部
卻很可能成為強大的敵手。
明朝與南方諸國的關係多少要好一些。大越二十年前才從明朝獨立,並仍對北方的中國鄰
居保持著警惕。這一地區的其他國家對明朝的態度友好得多,但遍布該地區的山嶽與叢林
意味著明朝不過能從這些南部的王國手中得到一點象徵性的貢品。
明朝與朝鮮的朝鮮王朝關係最為緊密。明與朝鮮王朝都建立於大元的廢墟之上。兩國關係
因共同信仰儒家哲學而變得更加緊密。
明朝面臨的麻煩並非都來自外部,天命就是其中易變的一個,如果皇帝的權威搖擺不定,
各地豪強便可能會揭竿而起。中國將難免陷入這樣可怕的境地,但在15世紀,大明帝國仍
然是東亞乃至地球上最強大的國家。
外國人認為在15世紀中期1444年的瓦爾納戰役(Battle of Varna)結束後的世界的八大列
強國排名為
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Great_power
In 1444, the Great Powers
1. Ming Ming 2. Mamluks Mamluks 3. England England 4. Ottomans Ottomans
5. France France 6. Castile Castile 7. Timurids Timurids 8. Aragon Aragon
1444年,列強排名
1.明朝 2.馬穆魯克 3.英格蘭 4.鄂圖曼 5.法蘭西 6.卡斯提亞 7.帖木兒
8.亞拉岡
為何外國人認為中國的明朝在15世紀裡是地球最強大的國家?
外國人有什麼根據這麼講呢?
作者: cht1234 (cht1234)   2021-02-08 16:34:00
你先說說為何沒根據?
作者: kons (kons)   2021-02-08 16:52:00
原PO是在酸一堆人說中國很廢很爛吧,現在爛,以前更爛每次提到中國古代強,就是中國無純種漢人,都胡人後代元朝都把漢人當兩腳羊吃光,現在漢人都是蒙古人的後代總之就是一定要看不起中國才行
作者: darin8709 (volleyer)   2021-02-08 17:19:00
明朝的確是當時最強的吧
作者: IBIZA (溫一壺月光作酒)   2021-02-08 17:20:00
還以為是金門王
作者: ccyaztfe (best_troll_tw)   2021-02-08 17:20:00
鄂圖曼只能排到4嗎?他可是打敗東羅馬欸
作者: sunny16 (陽光哥)   2021-02-08 17:23:00
我比較納悶為什麼鄂圖曼為什麼比英格蘭還後面
作者: DogEggz (DogEggz)   2021-02-08 17:32:00
15世紀英國貞德前有比鄂圖曼強大吧...不過時間很短
作者: l81311i   2021-02-08 17:48:00
最大沒有錯 最強不可能
作者: stoneruler (光芒魚)   2021-02-08 17:58:00
馬穆魯克排在鄂圖曼前面我也不懂
作者: atteleitus (Atteleitus)   2021-02-08 18:30:00
ID
作者: undeadsin (レライエ)   2021-02-08 18:43:00
1444年鄂圖曼還在恢復中吧 世紀初剛被帖木兒打爆
作者: kakuj (longwinter)   2021-02-08 19:31:00
又一個來雲的 eu4 Ming的天朝機制與事件導致是非常容易被幹死的列強
作者: jackliao1990 (jack)   2021-02-08 20:16:00
這不是其他版的老問題嗎?
作者: takanasiyaya (cloud)   2021-02-08 20:19:00
1444離1453年只差九年,鄂圖曼正要進入全盛時期了好嗎,被帖木兒扁的傷痕已經算是癒合了,倒是英法還在打百年戰爭,英國是能多強啦
作者: PsMonkey (痞子軍團團長)   2021-02-08 21:02:00
可以打上百年,所以很強 [誤]
作者: fatisuya (伊達楓)   2021-02-08 23:20:00
明朝強不強可以玩玩EU4(誤)
作者: zeumax (煙灰缸裡的魚)   2021-02-08 23:42:00
明朝體制爛,但中國本身擁有過去積累的技術,如造紙術印刷術,這些對推升知識普及文化發展助力大,即便西方也開始用而陶瓷絲綢茶葉這三項特殊壟斷商品,貿易獲取白銀源源不絕說白靠這些遺產,在那生產技術不發達時代,很容易躍居王者
作者: saberr33 (creeps)   2021-02-09 00:23:00
為啥不是
作者: sdd5426 (★黑白小羊☆)   2021-02-09 08:50:00
在標題打外國人三個字不會看起來比較有說服力

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