Re: [爆卦] 台灣100%不爆炸電子煙品牌 熱銷海外

作者: tobetwob   2017-12-08 11:59:16
本協會是非營利組織,成員是業者無誤,請問這樣的問題是?
未來我們要籌組電子煙商業同業公會,協會是現實中目前能成立的法人單位。
不然我們是直接想成立電子煙商業同業公會無誤。
E大,經過這一堆的討論,我了解您的意思。
電子煙台灣目前只探討到電子煙油成分,其中媒體扯到尼古丁。
所以是由藥事法管理 負責單位是衛福部食藥署。
但電子煙主機,過往國健署從來沒有關心(因為跟它們專業已經差太遠)
所以我主動請示衛福部與標檢局,得到答案是,主管機關沒有指示。
所以 電子煙主機到底要怎麼管理,英國是列為一般3C品,台灣要怎麼管。
自然有許多討論空間,就像E大您提到的 醫材 呼吸給藥器,都是可以討論怎麼做對台灣最好。
有這麼多討論其實本會很開心,因為本會很痛心的是,主管機關 衛福部 國健署
根本就不想處理
討論??都只是我在打擾他們。
所以很抱歉上來PTT爭取曝光機會以及跟 鄉民溝通何為電子煙。
昨日我打到行政院及立法院,
行政院說:菸害防制法修正草案已經結案,只剩流程再跑,流程跑過了,就送立法院。
立法院說:等到收到行政院的版本,便會請相關委員會開會討論。
我們只希望這一切不會是 衛福部版本的"勞基法修正草案"。
電子煙有電子煙的族群與支持者,且使用人口逐漸增加,目前粗估全台已經來到約20萬人。
支持與反對,真相總是越辯越明,期待在立法院公聽會見面,謝謝大家!
本人 王郁揚 電煙協會共同發起人 身心健康 不自殺
下台一鞠躬 謝謝!
※ 引述《ewings (火星人當研究生)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《tobetwob ()》之銘言:
: : 電子煙協會官網新聞稿區:
: 其實看到這邊,我更覺得這個協會可能是廠商成立的
: 因為如果依照法規來認證,電子菸就是尼古丁製劑的呼吸給藥器
: 和尼古清口腔吸入劑一樣是用來戒煙用的用途
: 這樣反而能擺脫菸害防制法的限制,不會因為吸電子菸而被
: 罰款,也可以在公共場合使用(需要使用合格的吸入劑)
: 對菸蟲來說,是一件更爽的事
: 如果真的如協會講的這樣,要用商品檢驗規範來檢驗電子菸,
: 反而會中新的菸害防治法草案,和香煙一樣要課健康捐,
: 也不能在公眾場合抽
: 不支持電子菸用醫療器材認證的菸蟲,那真是腦袋壞掉了
: : http://www.taiwanvapeassociation.org/news-/
: : 以下提供期刊Nature及政府官方單位,關於電子煙的資料:
: : Nature期刊:
: : Patients are asking about e-cigarettes. What do we tell them?
: : Published online:
: : 25 July 2014
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2014.596
: : Abstract
: : E-cigarettes are electronic devices that deliver vaporised nicotine liquid
: : into the lungs. Since the introduction of e-cigarettes in 2004, the market in
: : the UK has rapidly expanded and increasingly people are asking health
: : professionals about them. This article gives an overview of e-cigarettes,
: : their use, their regulatory status and evidence for their safety, quality and
: : efficacy. Advice about e-cigarettes for dental health professionals to give
: : patients is provided, as well as the five questions, proposed by Action on
: : Smoking and Health, to consider when deciding whether to permit or prohibit
: : use of e-cigarettes on premises.
: : What do we tell patients about e-cigarettes?
: : Published online:
: : 19 December 2014
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/bdjteam2014136
: : Are e-cigarettes a gateway to smoking or a pathway to quitting?
: : Published online:
: : 14 August 2015
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2015.591
: : Abstract
: : Over recent years there has been a massive increase in the usage of
: : electronic cigarettes (e-cigs) by the general public. There are mixed views
: : regarding the safety and efficacy of e-cigs, even among healthcare
: : professionals. While some individuals view e-cigs as a public health concern,
: : others recommend them as a safe alternative to conventional cigarettes for
: : smokers who are willing to quit. Since e-cigs are a new phenomena, many
: : clinicians are unaware of their impact on users (known as vapers), who may
: : seek medical advice regarding their use. This clinical review aims to educate
: : healthcare professionals regarding the advantages and disadvantages of
: : e-cigarettes and to discuss whether e-cigarettes help users quit smoking or
: : whether they renormalise smoking. This article will describe the contents of
: : e-cigs and how they are used, the history, advantages, disadvantages and then
: : balance the positive and negative aspects of their use. Due to the lack of
: : long-term follow up of the health effects of e-cigarettes, caution is advised
: : with their use.
: : Development, validation and application of a device to measure e-cigarette
: : users’ puffing topography
: : Published online:
: : 10 October 2016
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35071
: : Abstract
: : With the rapidly rising popularity and substantial evolution of electronic
: : cigarettes (e-cigarettes) in the past 5–6 years, how these devices are used
: : by vapers and consumers’ exposure to aerosol emissions need to be
: : understood. We used puffing topography to measure directly product use. We
: : adapted a cigarette puffing topography device for use with e-cigarettes. We
: : performed validation using air and e-cigarette aerosol under multiple
: : regimes. Consumer puffing topography was measured for 60 vapers provided with
: : rechargeable “cig-a-like” or larger button-activated e-cigarettes, to use
: : ad-libitum in two sessions. Under all regimes, air puff volumes were within 1
: : Nicotine delivery from the refill liquid to the aerosol via high-power
: : e-cigarette device
: : Published online:
: : 01 June 2017
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-03008-0
: : Abstract
: : To offer an enhanced and well-controlled nicotine delivery from the refill
: : liquid to the aerosol is a key point to adequately satisfy nicotine cravings
: : using electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS). A recent high-power ENDS,
: : exhibiting higher aerosol nicotine delivery than older technologies, was
: : used. The particle size distribution was measured using a cascade impactor.
: : The effects of the refill liquid composition on the nicotine content of each
: : size-fraction in the submicron range were investigated. Nicotine was
: : quantified by liquid chromatography coupled with tandem mass spectrometry.
: : Particle size distribution of the airborne refill liquid and the aerosol
: : nicotine demonstrated that the nicotine is equally distributed in droplets
: : regardless of their size. Results also proved that the nicotine concentration
: : in aerosol was significantly lower compared to un-puffed refill liquid. A
: : part of the nicotine may be left in the ENDS upon depletion, and consequently
: : a portion of the nicotine may not be transferred to the user. Thus, new
: : generation high-power ENDS associated with propylene glycol/vegetable
: : glycerin (PG/VG) based solvent were very efficient to generate
: : carrier-droplets containing nicotine molecules with a constant concentration.
: : Findings highlighted that a portion of the nicotine in the refill liquid may
: : not be transferred to the user.
: : Health impact of E-cigarettes: a prospective 3.5-year study of regular daily
: : users who have never smoked
: : Published online:
: : 17 November 2017
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14043-2
: : Abstract
: : Although electronic cigarettes (ECs) are a much less harmful alternative to
: : tobacco cigarettes, there is concern as to whether long-term ECs use may
: : cause risks to human health. We report health outcomes (blood pressure, heart
: : rate, body weight, lung function, respiratory symptoms, exhaled breath nitric
: : oxide [eNO], exhaled carbon monoxide [eCO], and high-resolution computed
: : tomography [HRCT] of the lungs) from a prospective 3.5-year observational
: : study of a cohort of nine daily EC users (mean age 29.7 (± 6.1) years) who
: : have never smoked and a reference group of twelve never smokers. No
: : significant changes could be detected over the observation period from
: : baseline in the EC users or between EC users and control subjects in any of
: : the health outcomes investigated. Moreover, no pathological findings could be
: : identified on HRCT of the lungs and no respiratory symptoms were consistently
: : reported in the EC user group. Although it cannot be excluded that some harm
: : may occur at later stages, this study did not demonstrate any health concerns
: : associated with long-term use of EC in relatively young users who did not
: : also smoke tobacco.
: : 海外政府、官方單位資料分隔線==========================================
: : UK
: : E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review
: : 19 August 2015
: : https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-to
: : bacco-estimates-landmark-review
: : Electronic cigarettes
: : 4 July 2016
: : https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/electronic-cigarettes
: : NZ
: : https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/tobacco-contr
: : ol/e-cigarettes
: : FDA
: : Advancing Medicinal Nicotine Replacement Therapies as New Drugs – A new step
: : in FDA’s comprehensive approach to tobacco and nicotine
: : https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2017/11/advancing-medicinal-nicotine-
: : replacement-therapies-as-new-drugs-a-new-step-in-fdas-comprehensive-approach-t
: : o-tobacco-and-nicotine/
: : CDC
: : Electronic Cigarettes
: : E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit
: : adult smokers who are not pregnant
: : if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes
: : and other smoked tobacco products.
: : Are e-cigarettes less harmful than regular cigarettes?
: : Yes—but that doesn’t mean e-cigarettes are safe
: : https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/index.htm
: : PMC
: : Nicotine addicts, tar kills
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3685410/
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11037035
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181622/
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12052660
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC526783/
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466669/
: : American Heart Association Issues E-Cigarette Recommendations
: : when repeated efforts with conventional treatment fails, is intolerant, or
: : rejected by a patient who wants to utilize e-cigarettes to help them quit,
: : clinicians should not discourage their use by the patient.
: : http://newsroom.heart.org/news/american-heart-association-issues-e-cigarette-r
: : ecommendations
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作者: ewings (火星人當研究生)   2017-12-08 12:02:00
我不是給了建議嗎?找顧問公司向TFDA申請一般來說這樣一句話至少要收一萬,今天我免費和你講,我都虧本了。
作者: Windcws9Z (聞肉絲就餓)   2017-12-08 12:12:00
廠商跑來PTT葉佩雯 笑死 xDDDDDDDDD
作者: tobetwob   2017-12-08 12:12:00
E大,正常流程或許是這樣沒錯,但電子煙主管機關不作為食藥署的藥品組也說,未來電子煙業務都會移回給國健署反正政府機關就是踢皮球。根本沒人要處理"電子煙主機"這件事,好,今天由協會出聲我們首要的任務是,將煙害防制法 全面禁止電子煙 擋下否則談什麼電子煙主機都是空談,因為要是過了,產業外移管都不用管,多方便。
作者: ewings (火星人當研究生)   2017-12-08 12:16:00
那就是你們協會無能啊好好的可以用醫療器材認證,可以擺脫菸害防治法的方式不去做,拖到被反菸團體遊說成功,要把電子菸移到國健署管轄。以後要做醫材認證只會更難。
作者: tobetwob   2017-12-08 12:16:00
今天這篇新聞稿,是針對昨天TVBS跟東森的報導而發。不要再嘴了,講都很容易,你當作執行的人就知道眉角太多我們對手是誰? 傳統菸商、藥商、政府、反菸團體。都大有來頭,對,我弱,一個平民百姓小蝦米對抗大鯨魚。我也希望有錢能挖到超給力的幫手,我就不用熬夜到四點,早上八點多爬起來回文。
作者: ewings (火星人當研究生)   2017-12-08 12:21:00
現在做醫材認證,還只需要class II。被歸類到菸品,就必須經過人體實驗確認有戒煙療效,才能通過認證
作者: tobetwob   2017-12-08 12:21:00
既然這是我選擇的路,我就會執行到底,任何靠杯我的意見我都會轉換成能量去靠杯政府,謝謝各位指教。你直接加我賴 0982225140

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